Tesco plan for The Castle pub in Southampton slammed by traders

Andover Advertiser: The Castle, Southampton The Castle, Southampton

RESIDENTS and traders have held a face-to-face meeting with Tesco over its controversial plan to turn another Southampton pub into a supermarket.

Traders at Midanbury Broadway parade at Witts Hill fear that the proposed Express store, based in the former Castle pub, could d e s t roy their livelihoods, cost up to 36 jobs, cause traffic problems and attract anti social behaviour.

A petition against the store has attracted 2,000 signatures.

During the meeting, hosted by Itchen MP John Denham, Tesco sought to ease their concerns claiming the new store would even boost trade for some.

Tesco regional corporate affairs manager Simon Petar told the gathering that he “did not buy the argument”

that the chemist or post office would close.

He said evidence from new Express stores elsewhere in the UK showed the parade could expect an increase in footfall and that loyal customers would not desert existing traders.

He said that the store would create 22 jobs and that Tesco had received a “large number” of emails about the vacancies and an “enormous amount of letters welcoming us to the community”.

Mr Petar said the store, which will have a catchment area of 500m, would receive up to five deliveries a day, although only one delivery from a 10.5m long lorry each morning.

He said store lighting and the presence of up to ten staff would deter youths from gathering outside.

But Sarju Sonchhatia, from SNA Premier Store in Witts Hill, said competition from the new store would affect 36 people employed at shops along the parade, including his own store, a bakery, a post office, a chemist and Co-op.

He said Tesco did not offer the same “personal service” and that many of the new jobs the store would create could soon be replaced with self-checking machines.

His father Dinesh, who owns SNA and has built up the business over 30 years, said: “We don’t need another convenience store in this area.”

Tesco is planning to open its new store under permitted development rules, which means it does not have to submit for full planning application, however it will need to apply for an alcohol licence.

Enterprise Inns, the company which owned the pub, struck a deal to lease the building to Tesco.

Residents and traders have complained that it was not put on the open market after shutting in August.

Several Southampton pubs including the Bulls Eye in Butts Road, Sholing, the Winning Post in Peartree Avenue, and Woodman in Coxford Road, have recently been converted into convenience stores.

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4:47am Tue 27 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

In all fairness family run business SNA Premier Store has very friendly atmosphere, but what about their prices? I remember that they too started their business when there was already another similar store in Midanbury's small row of shops. Did they at that time give any consideration to impact their business was going to have on the other one as they are now complaining about Tesco?

On the one hand these people say competition is good thing, but then they have the cheek to complain when Tesco provides it. Is it not hypocrisy?

Wonder how many of the residents who have signed this petetion will refuse to shop in Tesco's store when it opens?....
In all fairness family run business SNA Premier Store has very friendly atmosphere, but what about their prices? I remember that they too started their business when there was already another similar store in Midanbury's small row of shops. Did they at that time give any consideration to impact their business was going to have on the other one as they are now complaining about Tesco? On the one hand these people say competition is good thing, but then they have the cheek to complain when Tesco provides it. Is it not hypocrisy? Wonder how many of the residents who have signed this petetion will refuse to shop in Tesco's store when it opens?.... Paramjit Bahia

5:49am Tue 27 Nov 12

SotonLad says...

The headline reads: "Tesco plan for The Castle pib in Southampton slammed by traders".

Oh dear.
The headline reads: "Tesco plan for The Castle pib in Southampton slammed by traders". Oh dear. SotonLad

7:26am Tue 27 Nov 12

ju_ju68 says...

Our local pub is also being turned into a Tesco, until the name went up on the builders hording, we had no idea it was being turned into this vile store!

It is likely to put a garage, a butchers and another local shop out of business.
no public consultation, when I searched on the internet, the only planning I could find was for an illuminated sign.
I am all for competition, but when Tesco open stores on every corner, that then makes that impossible.( and before you all start with the "bet you will shop there, once it's there" I won't,
Our local pub is also being turned into a Tesco, until the name went up on the builders hording, we had no idea it was being turned into this vile store! It is likely to put a garage, a butchers and another local shop out of business. no public consultation, when I searched on the internet, the only planning I could find was for an illuminated sign. I am all for competition, but when Tesco open stores on every corner, that then makes that impossible.( and before you all start with the "bet you will shop there, once it's there" I won't, ju_ju68

7:44am Tue 27 Nov 12

mooky9 says...

The fact of this is it won't affect the post office or boots as it doesn't offer that service. As for the other shops, I now avoid them due to poor service, unfriendly staff and poor selection if goods at too high a price. About time that parade had a decent selection. It's called competition, if it was the other way round with a shop opening near a tesco and they complained there would be uproar for stamping out customer choice and freedom, so what's the difference?
The fact of this is it won't affect the post office or boots as it doesn't offer that service. As for the other shops, I now avoid them due to poor service, unfriendly staff and poor selection if goods at too high a price. About time that parade had a decent selection. It's called competition, if it was the other way round with a shop opening near a tesco and they complained there would be uproar for stamping out customer choice and freedom, so what's the difference? mooky9

8:15am Tue 27 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

''...that loyal customers would not desert existing traders'' If Simon Petar really believes that, then who is his target customer base?
''...that loyal customers would not desert existing traders'' If Simon Petar really believes that, then who is his target customer base? hulla baloo

8:41am Tue 27 Nov 12

moocowpoorchick says...

ju_ju68 wrote:
Our local pub is also being turned into a Tesco, until the name went up on the builders hording, we had no idea it was being turned into this vile store!

It is likely to put a garage, a butchers and another local shop out of business.
no public consultation, when I searched on the internet, the only planning I could find was for an illuminated sign.
I am all for competition, but when Tesco open stores on every corner, that then makes that impossible.( and before you all start with the "bet you will shop there, once it's there" I won't,
They use local pubs as the planning permission does not need to be changed, usually the only thing they need permission for is signage or any changes on the outside of the building as many older pubs are listed buildings.
Also worth noting that one stop is owned by tesco (not a secret its just surprising the amount of people that do not know this) so there is 2 chains I will not shop at.
[quote][p][bold]ju_ju68[/bold] wrote: Our local pub is also being turned into a Tesco, until the name went up on the builders hording, we had no idea it was being turned into this vile store! It is likely to put a garage, a butchers and another local shop out of business. no public consultation, when I searched on the internet, the only planning I could find was for an illuminated sign. I am all for competition, but when Tesco open stores on every corner, that then makes that impossible.( and before you all start with the "bet you will shop there, once it's there" I won't,[/p][/quote]They use local pubs as the planning permission does not need to be changed, usually the only thing they need permission for is signage or any changes on the outside of the building as many older pubs are listed buildings. Also worth noting that one stop is owned by tesco (not a secret its just surprising the amount of people that do not know this) so there is 2 chains I will not shop at. moocowpoorchick

8:43am Tue 27 Nov 12

10 Minute Man says...

The big stores are no worse than other supermarkets, but personally I find most of the "express" format shops terrible. I think "Oh great, another cramped untidy Tesco Express store with its high prices, limited range, and massive inappropriate lorries delivering at all times of night."
The big stores are no worse than other supermarkets, but personally I find most of the "express" format shops terrible. I think "Oh great, another cramped untidy Tesco Express store with its high prices, limited range, and massive inappropriate lorries delivering at all times of night." 10 Minute Man

8:47am Tue 27 Nov 12

Stillness says...

What a shame that the locals didn't support the pub well enough for it to remain as a pub. I wonder if that was due to the local shop selling alcohol as cheaply as possible to temp in the customers? But I guess that's competition for you.
What a shame that the locals didn't support the pub well enough for it to remain as a pub. I wonder if that was due to the local shop selling alcohol as cheaply as possible to temp in the customers? But I guess that's competition for you. Stillness

8:57am Tue 27 Nov 12

daveprotools says...

I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1.
Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2.
I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'.
The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.
I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1. Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2. I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'. The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance. daveprotools

9:08am Tue 27 Nov 12

Stillness says...

daveprotools wrote:
I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1.
Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2.
I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'.
The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.
Is there enough dough in bread to make it worth while selling it?
[quote][p][bold]daveprotools[/bold] wrote: I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1. Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2. I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'. The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.[/p][/quote]Is there enough dough in bread to make it worth while selling it? Stillness

9:35am Tue 27 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Stillness wrote:
daveprotools wrote:
I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1.
Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2.
I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'.
The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.
Is there enough dough in bread to make it worth while selling it?
.. they only need a slice of the market.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daveprotools[/bold] wrote: I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1. Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2. I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'. The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.[/p][/quote]Is there enough dough in bread to make it worth while selling it?[/p][/quote].. they only need a slice of the market. freefinker

10:00am Tue 27 Nov 12

sarfhamton says...

Its not Tesco that closes pubs, its local people not supporting them.

And then they desert the local shop to go into the Tesco.

Don't blame Tesco, blame yourselves.
Its not Tesco that closes pubs, its local people not supporting them. And then they desert the local shop to go into the Tesco. Don't blame Tesco, blame yourselves. sarfhamton

10:04am Tue 27 Nov 12

Shoong says...

SotonLad wrote:
The headline reads: "Tesco plan for The Castle pib in Southampton slammed by traders".

Oh dear.
It's always a shame to see another pube go under.
[quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: The headline reads: "Tesco plan for The Castle pib in Southampton slammed by traders". Oh dear.[/p][/quote]It's always a shame to see another pube go under. Shoong

10:30am Tue 27 Nov 12

wendy45 says...

you all must remember it's not tesco's and all the other chains that close the small shops it is you we have a small shop in totton that will close next october when the contract runs out we would have closed earlier but can't afford the rent up to next year everyone moans that there is nothing different in every town and city but when any small retail shop opens up no one want's to give them a chance they say it is because of price but that does not stop most of them going into these well known fast chains and spending a fortune they blame stock availability but you need to spend money in these small shops so they can buy stock they blame poor quality but they won't pay the price if you get more expensive products wake up general public and think what you are doing to shopping precincts in the future
you all must remember it's not tesco's and all the other chains that close the small shops it is you we have a small shop in totton that will close next october when the contract runs out we would have closed earlier but can't afford the rent up to next year everyone moans that there is nothing different in every town and city but when any small retail shop opens up no one want's to give them a chance they say it is because of price but that does not stop most of them going into these well known fast chains and spending a fortune they blame stock availability but you need to spend money in these small shops so they can buy stock they blame poor quality but they won't pay the price if you get more expensive products wake up general public and think what you are doing to shopping precincts in the future wendy45

10:46am Tue 27 Nov 12

Stillness says...

wendy45 wrote:
you all must remember it's not tesco's and all the other chains that close the small shops it is you we have a small shop in totton that will close next october when the contract runs out we would have closed earlier but can't afford the rent up to next year everyone moans that there is nothing different in every town and city but when any small retail shop opens up no one want's to give them a chance they say it is because of price but that does not stop most of them going into these well known fast chains and spending a fortune they blame stock availability but you need to spend money in these small shops so they can buy stock they blame poor quality but they won't pay the price if you get more expensive products wake up general public and think what you are doing to shopping precincts in the future
Could you not open a shop selling punctuation marks? I ran out of breath reading all that in one go lol.
[quote][p][bold]wendy45[/bold] wrote: you all must remember it's not tesco's and all the other chains that close the small shops it is you we have a small shop in totton that will close next october when the contract runs out we would have closed earlier but can't afford the rent up to next year everyone moans that there is nothing different in every town and city but when any small retail shop opens up no one want's to give them a chance they say it is because of price but that does not stop most of them going into these well known fast chains and spending a fortune they blame stock availability but you need to spend money in these small shops so they can buy stock they blame poor quality but they won't pay the price if you get more expensive products wake up general public and think what you are doing to shopping precincts in the future[/p][/quote]Could you not open a shop selling punctuation marks? I ran out of breath reading all that in one go lol. Stillness

11:18am Tue 27 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

sarfhamton wrote:
Its not Tesco that closes pubs, its local people not supporting them.

And then they desert the local shop to go into the Tesco.

Don't blame Tesco, blame yourselves.
I agree with you in part however the Government increasing alcohol duty/tax plays a massive part in closure of the traditional local, the increased prices that are passed onto the drinkers make it difficult for people to have an affordable night out, coupled with the smoking ban and the 50p a can in supermarkets many people decide to opt for night in.

Tesco and the like will do whatever to make money, hopefully they pay their taxes to the UK Government unlike other multi-nationals trading in the UK
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: Its not Tesco that closes pubs, its local people not supporting them. And then they desert the local shop to go into the Tesco. Don't blame Tesco, blame yourselves.[/p][/quote]I agree with you in part however the Government increasing alcohol duty/tax plays a massive part in closure of the traditional local, the increased prices that are passed onto the drinkers make it difficult for people to have an affordable night out, coupled with the smoking ban and the 50p a can in supermarkets many people decide to opt for night in. Tesco and the like will do whatever to make money, hopefully they pay their taxes to the UK Government unlike other multi-nationals trading in the UK Over the Edge

1:36pm Tue 27 Nov 12

KarenR_UK says...

daveprotools wrote:
I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1.
Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2.
I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'.
The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.
It will be interesting to see just how many jobs are there in a couple of years - they've just changed the Express at the Triangle & last time my OH went in he was forced to use self service - that was 4-6 weeks ago, he won't go in any more (& he used to go daily as he does the main shopping for our household).
I'd like to think more people would vote with their feet, but it wouldn't still be there if that was the case - a lot of people campaigned against it when planning went in - said it would destroy the businesses in the Triangle; Don't know how they are faring behind the scenes, but Tesco is still there, with its traffic causing chaos on road and pavement (because God forbid anyone would walk to a local shop!).
[quote][p][bold]daveprotools[/bold] wrote: I wonder if any of the new staff applying for this store that will create 22 jobs will be made aware that they're going to be cut in favour of the self service checkouts? Poor argument 1. Tesco does not offer the same personal service? Brilliant way to attract in customers. Poor argument number 2. I would like to see the ton of letters received 'welcoming them to the community'. The only good thing about this - Premier's are horrible and expensive! At least residents will get better value for money on most groceries. However - I think they should compromise and not sell bread - so the bakery has a fighting chance.[/p][/quote]It will be interesting to see just how many jobs are there in a couple of years - they've just changed the Express at the Triangle & last time my OH went in he was forced to use self service - that was 4-6 weeks ago, he won't go in any more (& he used to go daily as he does the main shopping for our household). I'd like to think more people would vote with their feet, but it wouldn't still be there if that was the case - a lot of people campaigned against it when planning went in - said it would destroy the businesses in the Triangle; Don't know how they are faring behind the scenes, but Tesco is still there, with its traffic causing chaos on road and pavement (because God forbid anyone would walk to a local shop!). KarenR_UK

1:41pm Tue 27 Nov 12

badgerbadgerbadger says...

Shoong wrote:
SotonLad wrote: The headline reads: "Tesco plan for The Castle pib in Southampton slammed by traders". Oh dear.
It's always a shame to see another pube go under.
Fnarr fnarr.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonLad[/bold] wrote: The headline reads: "Tesco plan for The Castle pib in Southampton slammed by traders". Oh dear.[/p][/quote]It's always a shame to see another pube go under.[/p][/quote]Fnarr fnarr. badgerbadgerbadger

2:08pm Tue 27 Nov 12

dolomiteman says...

Okay so this time I am going to shout it so the Echo and others understand.....
THE PETITION WAS NOT SIGNED BY 2000 PEOPLE, THERE WERE FIVE SEPERATE PETITIONS WHICH WERE SIGNED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE SAME PEOPLE WITH SOME EVEN SIGNING ON BEHALF OF OTHERS WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
I have seen a parent force their small child to sign it, did that kid really understand whats going on?
Let someone who is neutral check through the petition and count the real signatures.
Okay so this time I am going to shout it so the Echo and others understand..... THE PETITION WAS NOT SIGNED BY 2000 PEOPLE, THERE WERE FIVE SEPERATE PETITIONS WHICH WERE SIGNED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE SAME PEOPLE WITH SOME EVEN SIGNING ON BEHALF OF OTHERS WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE. I have seen a parent force their small child to sign it, did that kid really understand whats going on? Let someone who is neutral check through the petition and count the real signatures. dolomiteman

2:35pm Tue 27 Nov 12

SpLiDgE says...

You can argue about how this wont effect any of the other stores in the parade all day long. The Fact is Tesco will have a huge impact on the community in a negative way! The jobs the seem to be creating is lie, they in fact intend to transfer existing staff from their other stores within a half mile radius. Leaving a lot of employees from the other businesses struggling out of work. The Pub which has no gone has left a huge gap missing for community to meet and socialise and instead left an off-license full of cheap alcohol for the community to slowly fall in to a problematic situation resulting in anti-social behavior leading to tax payers money be wasted on a problem that didn't need to arise in the first place. And all this because Tesco wasn't happy with how many stores it currently have within a mile radius.
You can argue about how this wont effect any of the other stores in the parade all day long. The Fact is Tesco will have a huge impact on the community in a negative way! The jobs the seem to be creating is lie, they in fact intend to transfer existing staff from their other stores within a half mile radius. Leaving a lot of employees from the other businesses struggling out of work. The Pub which has no gone has left a huge gap missing for community to meet and socialise and instead left an off-license full of cheap alcohol for the community to slowly fall in to a problematic situation resulting in anti-social behavior leading to tax payers money be wasted on a problem that didn't need to arise in the first place. And all this because Tesco wasn't happy with how many stores it currently have within a mile radius. SpLiDgE

2:37pm Tue 27 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

If you dont like Tesco etc - dont shop there.

butchers, green grocers, bakers etc are going out of business regardless as people wont use them. they prefer a one stop shop i.e. supermarket.

With regard to the pubs closing. If there were nice pubs that made a profit then they would not close. They are normally nasty pubs full of the turds of society that no sane person would want to visit.
If you dont like Tesco etc - dont shop there. butchers, green grocers, bakers etc are going out of business regardless as people wont use them. they prefer a one stop shop i.e. supermarket. With regard to the pubs closing. If there were nice pubs that made a profit then they would not close. They are normally nasty pubs full of the turds of society that no sane person would want to visit. elvisimo

3:02am Wed 28 Nov 12

dolomiteman says...

'SpLiDgE'
From your comment it is apparent you never went in the castle pub, it was the some of the drinkers from pub itself that caused a lot of the antisocial behaviuor in Midanbury. the comments about Tesco's attracting underage drinkers and chavs hanging around is just a nimby excuss as there are already two shops selling cheap alco-pops and cheap beer/cider.
'SpLiDgE' From your comment it is apparent you never went in the castle pub, it was the some of the drinkers from pub itself that caused a lot of the antisocial behaviuor in Midanbury. the comments about Tesco's attracting underage drinkers and chavs hanging around is just a nimby excuss as there are already two shops selling cheap alco-pops and cheap beer/cider. dolomiteman

10:03am Wed 28 Nov 12

mooky9 says...

SpLiDgE wrote:
You can argue about how this wont effect any of the other stores in the parade all day long. The Fact is Tesco will have a huge impact on the community in a negative way! The jobs the seem to be creating is lie, they in fact intend to transfer existing staff from their other stores within a half mile radius. Leaving a lot of employees from the other businesses struggling out of work. The Pub which has no gone has left a huge gap missing for community to meet and socialise and instead left an off-license full of cheap alcohol for the community to slowly fall in to a problematic situation resulting in anti-social behavior leading to tax payers money be wasted on a problem that didn't need to arise in the first place. And all this because Tesco wasn't happy with how many stores it currently have within a mile radius.
No all this because the castle was a dive only frequented by a few and mostly some of the local 'gangs'. It certainly was not the heart of the community as most felt intimidated to go in. With the co-pp and premier selling alcohol to whoever they can, have seen kids walking away with bags of booze, how is tesco causing the problem that exists before its built. Fact is those shops are poor and enjoy trade as there is no choice in that immediate area. Maybe this will get them to buck their ideas up and compete properely.
[quote][p][bold]SpLiDgE[/bold] wrote: You can argue about how this wont effect any of the other stores in the parade all day long. The Fact is Tesco will have a huge impact on the community in a negative way! The jobs the seem to be creating is lie, they in fact intend to transfer existing staff from their other stores within a half mile radius. Leaving a lot of employees from the other businesses struggling out of work. The Pub which has no gone has left a huge gap missing for community to meet and socialise and instead left an off-license full of cheap alcohol for the community to slowly fall in to a problematic situation resulting in anti-social behavior leading to tax payers money be wasted on a problem that didn't need to arise in the first place. And all this because Tesco wasn't happy with how many stores it currently have within a mile radius.[/p][/quote]No all this because the castle was a dive only frequented by a few and mostly some of the local 'gangs'. It certainly was not the heart of the community as most felt intimidated to go in. With the co-pp and premier selling alcohol to whoever they can, have seen kids walking away with bags of booze, how is tesco causing the problem that exists before its built. Fact is those shops are poor and enjoy trade as there is no choice in that immediate area. Maybe this will get them to buck their ideas up and compete properely. mooky9

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