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Massive rise in Saints revenue
8:35am Friday 8th March 2013 in Hampshire Business
NICOLA CORTESE
Saints made a net profit of just under £1m in their first six months back in the Premier League.
Revenue, under the guidance of executive chairman Nicola Cortese, trebled during the period from July to December 2012 to over £33m – compared to a turnover of under £9m for the whole 12 months up to June 2009.
Turnover for the 2010/11 financial year, when Saints won promotion from the third tier of English season, was only £13.37m.
Those figures highlight the huge financial advantages to being part of the most-watched league in the world.
Total investment since the Markus Liebherr takeover in 2009 is nearly £38m, and it is a figure that is effectively written off by the estate of the late owner.
Southampton FC was bought by DMWSL 613 Limited back in July 2009, when Liebherr rescued the club from possible extinction.
Saints’ parent company Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC had entered administration the previous April.
On Liebherr’s death in August 2010, the ownership of the shares held in DMWSL 613 Limited’s name passed into probate, which is where it still remains to this day.
Cortese, who paid out around £5.3m in player and staff bonuses on winning promotion to the Premier League, has done well to get the wages paid to turnover ratio to 59 per cent.
That is a huge improvement on previous regimes at St Mary’s.
In the 12 months to the financial year ending June 2008, Saints’ wagebill spiralled to a ridiculous 81 per cent of turnover – up from 45 per cent for the financial year ending June 2007.
Huge salaries were given to players who were struggling to keep the club in the Championship, and that was part of the reason for Saints’ financial troubles which eventually led them down the road to administration.
The full set of Southampton FC accounts, covering the 2011/12 season in the Championship, are yet to be revealed.
The club have until the end of this month to lodge them at Companies House.
Comments(139)
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:51am Fri 8 Mar 13
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
Winman
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8:51am Fri 8 Mar 13
Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service...
P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?
OSPREYSAINT
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8:55am Fri 8 Mar 13
St.Yorkie wrote:A tricky choice, you don't say whether it is because you cannot afford it, or just out of principle, which is fair enough, the attendances don't bear out your statement, your empty seat is gladly being picked up by someone else. I have just joined the ranks of the Retired, and will struggle to fund future STs. It will mean sacrifices elsewhere, but it means a lot to me to be a Saints supporter, so I will endeavour to do so. I read the text of the thread and most of it went over my head, I trust those at the top to ensure our future. I cannot speak for Germany and their policy, perhaps someone can come up with comparisons with Italy, Spain and France.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
OSPREYSAINT
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9:03am Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman wrote:There are still areas where despite being in the Premier, some things are definitely not up to speed. The catering, although I never use it, seems a bit naff. The sound system has never been audible once the ground is nearly full. No doubt there are other issues, use this thread to air your grievances, someone might take note of the bad publicity. I don't about the cups, but choccy bars seem to be getting smaller as the price stays the same.
perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time.
Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service...
P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?
costa gaz
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9:03am Fri 8 Mar 13
If La Liga ever decides to change it's general kick off time to mid afternoon instead of 9/10 pm the EPL would face some very stiff competition.
Alicesdad
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9:15am Fri 8 Mar 13
The continued investment in players shows the owners are backing Cortese and this can only be good news.
It will be interesting to see who our first big name sale will be in the premiership. Last season we sold Oxlade-Chamberpot and made
a tidy sum. Since then we have off loaded a few on loans but our core squad is intact (Billy Sharpe was never going to be a core team member in the premiership) .. sooner or later we will need to sell as our squad is starting to grow now and some will want a move if they arent getting regular games.
We shall see, but it's good to know the underlying fiancial position is sound.
Bigrich1980
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9:18am Fri 8 Mar 13
Puddletown Saint
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9:20am Fri 8 Mar 13
Income:
TV
Spons
Gate Rec
Prize
Other
Expend:
Wages
Transfers
Loan
Football is now a business Over inflated fees, wages, agents tickets etc
Would love Saints to build that extra teir on the Northam (put the away fans up there - yes a separate issue) and reduce tickets prices. Fact is if ticket prices came down by say £5 more fans would go (new teir) and then buy a programme, pie (catering does have to improve) and a beer. Funny old thing that would mean more cash in the coffers.
Final note on revenue - can we not buy the land around St Marys. It is very sad seeing the gas works and building site. A wonderfu ice skating rink with a cinema and even casino etc etc.
Any way 2-1 tomorrow SRL and Adam COYR
Bigrich1980
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9:22am Fri 8 Mar 13
franiow
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9:27am Fri 8 Mar 13
As for season tickets, you don't need one to support the team. I have got to a few games this season and if my money means (in some small way) that Saints each the top, I am happy to pay it.
SkiesTheLimit
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9:28am Fri 8 Mar 13
SaintJD
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9:53am Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford
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9:59am Fri 8 Mar 13
SaintJD wrote:It did strike me as being remarkably supportive of Nicola.
Errrr, where are the anti-Echo bias comments on this article? Anything anyone wants to criticise them on? Cortese bashing, agendas, anyone?
To be fair, wages at 59% of turnover is pretty remarkable for the Premier League so it kind of should be supportive.
St Retford
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10:02am Fri 8 Mar 13
St.Yorkie wrote:German clubs make their money through commercial partnerships rather than through the fans directly. They see fans as part of the club rather than customers, so effectively they're selling a loyal audience to their sponsors in much the same way as a free newspaper sells readers to advertisers.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
It's an interesting idea. Imagine how many people would come and see us if it cost, say, £15. We'd sell out a ground the size of the Emirates every week.
Mush On The Beach
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10:03am Fri 8 Mar 13
costa gaz wrote:They’ve already started doing it with El Classico.
The attendance money is just a bonus, the real money is now coming from the TV rights being sold to the far east.
If La Liga ever decides to change it's general kick off time to mid afternoon instead of 9/10 pm the EPL would face some very stiff competition.
The prem is a formidable product with the high energy brand of football that generates the huge world interest. I’m not sure that La Liga on the whole is capable of having the same pull.
Every time I think the bubble will surely burst, the next tv deal goes up considerably.
The English football fan is on the whole ripped off with ticket prices, as was said above the German model seems a better deal. If you get a spare 5 mins, try:
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/football/blog/
2010/apr/11/bundesli
ga-premier-leag
swesaint
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10:06am Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman wrote:Maybe change your sn from winman to whineman
perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time.
Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service...
P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?
swesaint
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10:08am Fri 8 Mar 13
Puddletown Saint wrote:That only makes sense if we struggled to fill the ground. We already average above 30000 so lowering prices by 5 would actually be detrimental.
Would very much like to see the real figures
Income:
TV
Spons
Gate Rec
Prize
Other
Expend:
Wages
Transfers
Loan
Football is now a business Over inflated fees, wages, agents tickets etc
Would love Saints to build that extra teir on the Northam (put the away fans up there - yes a separate issue) and reduce tickets prices. Fact is if ticket prices came down by say £5 more fans would go (new teir) and then buy a programme, pie (catering does have to improve) and a beer. Funny old thing that would mean more cash in the coffers.
Final note on revenue - can we not buy the land around St Marys. It is very sad seeing the gas works and building site. A wonderfu ice skating rink with a cinema and even casino etc etc.
Any way 2-1 tomorrow SRL and Adam COYR
Confucious
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10:12am Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Absolutely right. Okay so we are in the Prem and every match is packed out and the stadium tense and excited. But the standard of catering has completely ruined it all for me - a hard-pressed quadruple season ticket holder.
Winman wrote:There are still areas where despite being in the Premier, some things are definitely not up to speed. The catering, although I never use it, seems a bit naff. The sound system has never been audible once the ground is nearly full. No doubt there are other issues, use this thread to air your grievances, someone might take note of the bad publicity. I don't about the cups, but choccy bars seem to be getting smaller as the price stays the same.
perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time.
Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service...
P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?
In fact I have written to Nicola today to voice my angst about many things including:
* Round tomatoes continue to be used to fill square sandwiches, thus leaving needlessly empty corners.
* The rice in the chicken saag contunues to be stuck together because the grains are still not being boiled separately.
* Those who do not like corn on the cob still have no option other than to bite it off.
* There is no braille warning on the paper plates to stop blind people from eating them.
* Despite the processed meat scandal in the news, they are still selling hors-d-oeuvres.
* Whilst it's inevitable that there will be flies buzzing about the kiosks, it is ridiculous that the photographs of the foods available (printed on the overhead menu board) also have flies in them.
* One of the hairy gooseberries I received was actually a curled up caterpillar.
* The shaken tomato sauce bottles will only emit either none at all or a huge amount, but never the correct amount.
* The sachets of powdered water are a complete con as you have to buy a bottle of water to add to it.
* When will we receive a 100% guarantee that none of the food sold could, as reported in the Daily Mail, cause tumours in white mice?
* After being on display for two months now, the big sign reading "We are now Rat-Free", should be removed from the Kingsland kiosk.
* Until improvements are made, supporters such as myself, faced with this outrageous service, should NOT be banned from taking their own food into the stadium and should NEVER have their barbecues confiscated by stewards.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:21am Fri 8 Mar 13
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
Bungy53
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10:24am Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman wrote:It's definitely not you, I bought a cup of hot chocolate last Monday evening which cost £2 and I had to do a double take--frankly it was a pathetically small cup for the money.
perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time.
Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service...
P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?
george chivers
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10:29am Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:Interesting. I didn't know about that commercial strategy in Germany. Given the wide demographic spread of fans attending football matches it would be interesting to know what products and services the partners of German clubs bring to the market place, compared to our main sponsor, who I assume is a software provider/developer. Although I have never checked them out.
St.Yorkie wrote:German clubs make their money through commercial partnerships rather than through the fans directly. They see fans as part of the club rather than customers, so effectively they're selling a loyal audience to their sponsors in much the same way as a free newspaper sells readers to advertisers.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
It's an interesting idea. Imagine how many people would come and see us if it cost, say, £15. We'd sell out a ground the size of the Emirates every week.
Would we get better sponsorship from
from providers of say pies/alcohol or from consumer durables such as cars/white goods? And a subsequent drop in ticket prices (if we had a bigger stadium). Clearly prices won't drop if St Mary's be filled up most weeks.
Also,I guess, German politics are more left of centre than U.K. politics and that has to be considered as well. Plus of course the success of the national team compared to our national team.
userds5050
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10:36am Fri 8 Mar 13
St.Yorkie wrote:Er, because they've got terraces and bigger stadiums in Germany, that's why. Hillsborough must have passed some people by.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
Folkestone Saint
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10:43am Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I took my brother to see Mallorca v Zaragotha a while back and the tickets were about £30 each, blo0dy awful game though, and you can't have a beer (or Sangria) in the ground
St.Yorkie wrote:A tricky choice, you don't say whether it is because you cannot afford it, or just out of principle, which is fair enough, the attendances don't bear out your statement, your empty seat is gladly being picked up by someone else. I have just joined the ranks of the Retired, and will struggle to fund future STs. It will mean sacrifices elsewhere, but it means a lot to me to be a Saints supporter, so I will endeavour to do so. I read the text of the thread and most of it went over my head, I trust those at the top to ensure our future. I cannot speak for Germany and their policy, perhaps someone can come up with comparisons with Italy, Spain and France.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
Paul Lucas
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10:44am Fri 8 Mar 13
There is a problem with catering as has been addressed above.
I have a routine where I have my lunch at St Mary's and have always had a hot dog. When we entered the PL they got shorter by at least a half but the price remained the same.
I then tried, a few times, the cheeseburgers. They were rarely hot and always 'stodgy'. So I then tried the pies (no real choice now the Madras has gone!) and they were not so good.
Halftime drinks and food is, as has been said, a joke. I now get all my food HOT from the vans outside.
george chivers
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10:45am Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Like you I am now retired. I can afford the ticket but because I live 33 miles away from Southampton my gross cost for one season ticket is £1500. This includes the cost of a ticket, private Saints parking (my choice, I like to arrive late,10 minutes before KO and leave a few minutes early, to avoid the traffic) Petrol, depreciation on my car, a few pounds spent at the ground and income tax.
St.Yorkie wrote:A tricky choice, you don't say whether it is because you cannot afford it, or just out of principle, which is fair enough, the attendances don't bear out your statement, your empty seat is gladly being picked up by someone else. I have just joined the ranks of the Retired, and will struggle to fund future STs. It will mean sacrifices elsewhere, but it means a lot to me to be a Saints supporter, so I will endeavour to do so. I read the text of the thread and most of it went over my head, I trust those at the top to ensure our future. I cannot speak for Germany and their policy, perhaps someone can come up with comparisons with Italy, Spain and France.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
What I have to consider is, is this value for money compared to staying at home and installing BT infinity and watching the game on my P.C. I think I am going to choose the latter as a value for money choice.
If I lived in Southampton and could either walk or bus to St Mary's I would be renewing. But of course that doesn't apply to everybody, because personal finances are different for each one of us.
mbetts
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10:57am Fri 8 Mar 13
Maybe they just don't understand it?
St Retford
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11:05am Fri 8 Mar 13
mbetts wrote:Heh.
Strange that the usual skate c*ntributors are avoiding commenting about an article where we've made a profit.
Maybe they just don't understand it?
I think football historians will come to regard Pompey's spell in the top flight as the age of the amateurs. It was a time when arms dealers bought football clubs for fun and gave green lights to managers to sign whoever they wanted, egged on by a credulous fanbase who neither asked nor cared where the money was coming from or how it could possibly be sustained.
What we have at Saints is a club run by professionals. The difference couldn't be more stark.
Supersaint sb
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11:09am Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman
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11:11am Fri 8 Mar 13
swesaint wrote:Cheers for that, except I don't think it's just me - in fact I know it isn't. I guess you must be easily pleased...
Winman wrote: perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time. Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service... P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?Maybe change your sn from winman to whineman
St Retford
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11:17am Fri 8 Mar 13
Folkestone Saint wrote:It's hard to put a price on football or say what represents value for money because there's no guarantee of what you're going to get. To watch Southampton play well and win while having a lovely old sing-a-long is one of the greatest things in the world and I would literally (probably not literally) give my right arm to be there. Equally, to watch us play badly and lose is horrible and is worth about 10p.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I took my brother to see Mallorca v Zaragotha a while back and the tickets were about £30 each, blo0dy awful game though, and you can't have a beer (or Sangria) in the ground
St.Yorkie wrote:A tricky choice, you don't say whether it is because you cannot afford it, or just out of principle, which is fair enough, the attendances don't bear out your statement, your empty seat is gladly being picked up by someone else. I have just joined the ranks of the Retired, and will struggle to fund future STs. It will mean sacrifices elsewhere, but it means a lot to me to be a Saints supporter, so I will endeavour to do so. I read the text of the thread and most of it went over my head, I trust those at the top to ensure our future. I cannot speak for Germany and their policy, perhaps someone can come up with comparisons with Italy, Spain and France.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
I think a fair system would be to have the price of a ticket set after the match, so if we win well then we all pay £50 and everyone's so happy from the game that no one minds. Equally, if we're absolutely shocking then we should all be paid £5 directly from the players' wages for putting up with it. It's the future!
Confucious
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11:20am Fri 8 Mar 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Mush On The Beach
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11:28am Fri 8 Mar 13
Confucious wrote:Didn’t our skunt neighbours try such a social experiment with Pack the Park. They lowered the prices but still nobody came. Cheap Skates.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:37am Fri 8 Mar 13
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
St Retford
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11:39am Fri 8 Mar 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:What about the fatties? Where do they sit?
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
userds5050
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11:42am Fri 8 Mar 13
Mush On The Beach wrote:An interesting article if a little outdated. Sky have now got their hands on the pay per view market in Germany. It will be interesting to see where the Bundesliga goes in the next few years with this extra tv revenue and success in the Champions league. I think you will see the same gentrification of football there as we have seen here.
costa gaz wrote:They’ve already started doing it with El Classico.
The attendance money is just a bonus, the real money is now coming from the TV rights being sold to the far east.
If La Liga ever decides to change it's general kick off time to mid afternoon instead of 9/10 pm the EPL would face some very stiff competition.
The prem is a formidable product with the high energy brand of football that generates the huge world interest. I’m not sure that La Liga on the whole is capable of having the same pull.
Every time I think the bubble will surely burst, the next tv deal goes up considerably.
The English football fan is on the whole ripped off with ticket prices, as was said above the German model seems a better deal. If you get a spare 5 mins, try:
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/football/blog/
2010/apr/11/bundesli
ga-premier-leag
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:42am Fri 8 Mar 13
Paul Lucas wrote:I hope so too! Just saying if you're selling out there's no pressure to reduce ticket prices.
These look like good figures on the face of it. I really do hope they don't put ST prices up, Seedhouse, as it'll price me out that's for sure.
There is a problem with catering as has been addressed above.
I have a routine where I have my lunch at St Mary's and have always had a hot dog. When we entered the PL they got shorter by at least a half but the price remained the same.
I then tried, a few times, the cheeseburgers. They were rarely hot and always 'stodgy'. So I then tried the pies (no real choice now the Madras has gone!) and they were not so good.
Halftime drinks and food is, as has been said, a joke. I now get all my food HOT from the vans outside.
Since NC's arrival the food in corporate has absolutely transformed. It was good back when the stadium opened but went down hill as the team did. It's now right up there with some top restaurants. I'm in the Channon which is just burgers and so on, but very good ones. I've been lucky enough to be a guest of aap3 in their box three times this season and the food is really good.
Hopefully he will turn his attention to the concourses next. Like you, if I'm in the stands I eat in the pub or the burger bars outside the ground.
OSPREYSAINT
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12:00pm Fri 8 Mar 13
mbetts wrote:True but do we really want to encourage them? MGRA is bit muted too, I guess he hasn't woken up yet. I can wait for his negative spin on it, in fact the longer it takes the better.
Strange that the usual skate c*ntributors are avoiding commenting about an article where we've made a profit.
Maybe they just don't understand it?
OSPREYSAINT
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12:01pm Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Oops, sorry he is on one of the other threads, and yes it is negative.
mbetts wrote:True but do we really want to encourage them? MGRA is bit muted too, I guess he hasn't woken up yet. I can wait for his negative spin on it, in fact the longer it takes the better.
Strange that the usual skate c*ntributors are avoiding commenting about an article where we've made a profit.
Maybe they just don't understand it?
Bring back Branfoot
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12:02pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:I remember about 20 years ago when I used to pay £2 to get in the Milton and about £6 to get in the lower East standing.
Folkestone Saint wrote:It's hard to put a price on football or say what represents value for money because there's no guarantee of what you're going to get. To watch Southampton play well and win while having a lovely old sing-a-long is one of the greatest things in the world and I would literally (probably not literally) give my right arm to be there. Equally, to watch us play badly and lose is horrible and is worth about 10p.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I took my brother to see Mallorca v Zaragotha a while back and the tickets were about £30 each, blo0dy awful game though, and you can't have a beer (or Sangria) in the ground
St.Yorkie wrote:A tricky choice, you don't say whether it is because you cannot afford it, or just out of principle, which is fair enough, the attendances don't bear out your statement, your empty seat is gladly being picked up by someone else. I have just joined the ranks of the Retired, and will struggle to fund future STs. It will mean sacrifices elsewhere, but it means a lot to me to be a Saints supporter, so I will endeavour to do so. I read the text of the thread and most of it went over my head, I trust those at the top to ensure our future. I cannot speak for Germany and their policy, perhaps someone can come up with comparisons with Italy, Spain and France.
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
I think a fair system would be to have the price of a ticket set after the match, so if we win well then we all pay £50 and everyone's so happy from the game that no one minds. Equally, if we're absolutely shocking then we should all be paid £5 directly from the players' wages for putting up with it. It's the future!
I don't have the same excitement when I go to games now. Maybe age is the reason or the fact that now it's all seater it doesn't have the same atmosphere. I know it's demand dictates the price but a lot of fans have been priced out of going, which is not right.
Mush On The Beach
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12:06pm Fri 8 Mar 13
userds5050 wrote:Fair points. Gentrification, I love that word.
Mush On The Beach wrote:An interesting article if a little outdated. Sky have now got their hands on the pay per view market in Germany. It will be interesting to see where the Bundesliga goes in the next few years with this extra tv revenue and success in the Champions league. I think you will see the same gentrification of football there as we have seen here.
costa gaz wrote:They’ve already started doing it with El Classico.
The attendance money is just a bonus, the real money is now coming from the TV rights being sold to the far east.
If La Liga ever decides to change it's general kick off time to mid afternoon instead of 9/10 pm the EPL would face some very stiff competition.
The prem is a formidable product with the high energy brand of football that generates the huge world interest. I’m not sure that La Liga on the whole is capable of having the same pull.
Every time I think the bubble will surely burst, the next tv deal goes up considerably.
The English football fan is on the whole ripped off with ticket prices, as was said above the German model seems a better deal. If you get a spare 5 mins, try:
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/football/blog/
2010/apr/11/bundesli
ga-premier-leag
I’ve been thinking about what are the most competitive and equal leagues, where more teams have a chance of winning the top positions. The Championship springs to mind, I also heard recently the Dutch Eredivisie is up there, though I can’t say I’ve seen it.
I follow the Australian A-League, Perth Glory as my adopted team.
The quality is probably lower Championship, but it’s a very level playing field.
$25 dollars entry, the beer is p1ss and the burgers are average.
Football, the beautiful game ...... Football catering, my ar$e
St Retford
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12:13pm Fri 8 Mar 13
(What I'm basically saying is that you should all just stay in your seats.)
(So that me and my mates don't have to queue up for beer and pies.)
Mush On The Beach
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12:20pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:I’ve heard that Hearts fans can now download an app that gives them the chance to order their beer and food and have it delivered to their seats. Never again will I call the Scots barbaric, Sweaty and tight yes.
Football catering is (probably literally) arse, but I've never understood why so many are so keen to eat at half time. I mean, on what other day of the week would you think "Oh, it's a quarter to four - I'm going to have a pie"?
(What I'm basically saying is that you should all just stay in your seats.)
(So that me and my mates don't have to queue up for beer and pies.)
SO50 Saint
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12:26pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Alicesdad
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12:29pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:Confucius is just utterly wasted on this site. Isn't there a TV company or radio station somewhere prepared to offer him a job as most broadcast comedy is dire at the moment. Too many stand-ups who just cant be distingusiehed from each other.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:What about the fatties? Where do they sit?
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
Truly original wit is a talent beyond compare. Todays offerings about the food at St Marys and the later post about the hierarchy of "poor/needy" are simply inspired.
I must point out that I am registerig my commercial interest here as self appounted agent for Confucius in any negotiations with aforementioned broadcasters. I have learned much from 'Arry about these kinds of transactions/negotia
tions and have stocked up on brown envelopes and have opened a post office savings account for my cat who will obviously be paid for his work as my assistant.
Whilst Mr Cortese may wish to retain Confucius as a dedicated resource on his own club threads, I reserve the right to seek the best deal for my client. As soon as Confucius has completed his correspondence courses on Spanish, German and French I will also be seeking a more European market for his services.
For now I can be contacted via my legal advisors at Sue Grabbit and Run.
J7junctionseven
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12:42pm Fri 8 Mar 13
So if anyone wants it for face value to help me out let me know.
COYR FOADP
OSPREYSAINT
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12:44pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Alicesdad wrote:I think Confucius could do some great Missionary work on The News site, I tried it once a long while ago, and failed, they were all too thick to convert.
St Retford wrote:Confucius is just utterly wasted on this site. Isn't there a TV company or radio station somewhere prepared to offer him a job as most broadcast comedy is dire at the moment. Too many stand-ups who just cant be distingusiehed from each other.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:What about the fatties? Where do they sit?
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
Truly original wit is a talent beyond compare. Todays offerings about the food at St Marys and the later post about the hierarchy of "poor/needy" are simply inspired.
I must point out that I am registerig my commercial interest here as self appounted agent for Confucius in any negotiations with aforementioned broadcasters. I have learned much from 'Arry about these kinds of transactions/negotia
tions and have stocked up on brown envelopes and have opened a post office savings account for my cat who will obviously be paid for his work as my assistant.
Whilst Mr Cortese may wish to retain Confucius as a dedicated resource on his own club threads, I reserve the right to seek the best deal for my client. As soon as Confucius has completed his correspondence courses on Spanish, German and French I will also be seeking a more European market for his services.
For now I can be contacted via my legal advisors at Sue Grabbit and Run.
NikkkoNik
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12:48pm Fri 8 Mar 13
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/sport/footb
all/news-and-comment
/james-lawton-premie
r-league-is-to-blame
-for-owners-acting-l
ike-headless-chicken
s-7723278.html
Confucious
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1:13pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:Excellent point. As you may know I have already recommended that all our Jumblies go into the Itchen, where co-ordinated f@rts can be directed at the away fans. We could put the poor people into the Northam rows adjacent to the away fans, thus doubling our chances of discomforting them vis a vis wind direction.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:What about the fatties? Where do they sit?
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
Knock-on effects mean the "wrong time of the month" women would have to go to the Chapel corner next to the incontinent's enclosure with the commode seating.
I have separately recommended to Nicola that fat poor women who are also incontinent should not be allowed entrance at all when they have the painters in. There are limits.
Mush On The Beach
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1:23pm Fri 8 Mar 13
NikkkoNik wrote:Interesting article.
We are in the big league and Saints has spent money investing (gamble) to get us to this point. It shows the level that the Chairman has invested. We still what more, better players, bigger ground something has to give. Many teams have to sell to stay afloat; we sold players and still lost money, Bale, Walcott the Ox. The stakes are getting bigger, players want more of the success and rewards that go with this. Many larger teams are chasing bigger bets, some clubs like Stoke 8M, WBA 2M in debt are getting it right others like QPR are around £80M in debt with a wage bill at 200% of the income, if they went down this would dramatically rise.
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/sport/footb
all/news-and-comment
/james-lawton-premie
r-league-is-to-blame
-for-owners-acting-l
ike-headless-chicken
s-7723278.html
The American model is intriguing.
The NFL is a franchise with little loyalty to the fans, new teams allowed to pop up and relocate a la MK Dons over here at will. Green Bay Packers is the brilliant exception to their model, owned by the fans and successful (not in my lifetime poopey). NFL a profitable model yes, but more ethical? no.
Sorry no tears for Blackburn and as for the skunts .... What would they be able to carp on about without their dishonourable trophy in our living memory.
As for Platini, he is a Sepp Blatter waiting to happen.
Stroppy_gramps
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1:24pm Fri 8 Mar 13
In my experience the food is just as cr*p and overpriced at ANY event you go to unless you use one of the burger wagons outside (and even they can be pricey too for what you get)
I mean the other week I was at a zoo with my 3 year old son - we ate in the restuarant and I was done £25 for one adult meal and a kids meal.
My son took one sniff of the chicken nuggets and point blank refused to eat them. I tried one and to call it disgusting would be a compliment.
they refused to refund me because he had eaten everything else on the plate.
I've been to plenty of events where the catering team were just as disorganised too.
Problem is - catering often goes to the lowest bidder. They will only make money by reducing their own costs - that means poor quality food and low paid staff.
(you could get away with it by being organised - less people would complain about the quality of the food or drink if they didn't have to wait for it)
these days if I get to go to a match (rarely) I don't bother with food or drink if I can help it. I find the day out is made much nicer by stopping off at a nice pub for a meal accompanied by several pints of the landlords finest ale (if I'm not driving)
while typing that I just realised something as well - it is kind of self perpetuating. The cr*p food and bad service will continue as long as the fans accept it.
If you queue up for 10 minutes, get a dodgy pie and pint and then come on here to moan about it, you have failed because YOU HAVE STILL PAID FOR THE SERVICE. And that is all that really matters - the money in your pocket is now in the pocket of the company that just provided you with rubbish food and service. so why should they bother changing? all they want is your money, once they have it do you honestly think they care? Lots of people pay lip service to how much they care about their customers. I guarantee you that they care as much as it takes to get you to spend money with them once and then a little bit more to get you to spend money with them again.
so don't put up with it. don't pay for the service. Whoever is running the concession will soon improve things when they see revenue falling. And if they don't they will go bust and someone else will come in. Keep doing this until a company gets the concession who will provide decent food at a decent price with decent service.
I make no comments on whether or not the club have any say in how much each item should sell for.
szent8
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1:27pm Fri 8 Mar 13
To boost your ego further appoint a manager who doesn't know how to win!
Save Our Saints!!!
St Retford
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1:30pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Confucious wrote:Ew, can you imagine what might end up getting thrown into the away end should we encourage women "at the wrong time of the month" to sit next to them?
St Retford wrote:Excellent point. As you may know I have already recommended that all our Jumblies go into the Itchen, where co-ordinated f@rts can be directed at the away fans. We could put the poor people into the Northam rows adjacent to the away fans, thus doubling our chances of discomforting them vis a vis wind direction.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:What about the fatties? Where do they sit?
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
Knock-on effects mean the "wrong time of the month" women would have to go to the Chapel corner next to the incontinent's enclosure with the commode seating.
I have separately recommended to Nicola that fat poor women who are also incontinent should not be allowed entrance at all when they have the painters in. There are limits.
I'm not sure even Pompey fans deserve that.
swesaint
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1:31pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman wrote:You better hurry then as there will be a line for it.
swesaint wrote:Cheers for that, except I don't think it's just me - in fact I know it isn't. I guess you must be easily pleased...
Winman wrote: perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time. Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service... P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?Maybe change your sn from winman to whineman
insane saint
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1:38pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:it is not to bad in the chapel seed
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
promised land
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2:01pm Fri 8 Mar 13
szent8 wrote:Using those principles if your club had done the same you would not be on the verge of extinction. How envious are you ? Your jealousy shows no bounds.
No big surprise. In fact it's quite easy. Sack your manager for no reason during the transfer window to ensure that no one will want to sign for the club thereby allowing you to keep your dust covered cheque book safely locked away.
To boost your ego further appoint a manager who doesn't know how to win!
Save Our Saints!!!
Come on Bury, (not that it matters your still going down.)
Red n White
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2:14pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:The season Portsmouth got relegated they were spending 120% of turnover on wages, with other expenses on top of that. Goes to show how well run we are now, and even if we do go down I think our turnover would still exceed our wages.
SaintJD wrote:It did strike me as being remarkably supportive of Nicola.
Errrr, where are the anti-Echo bias comments on this article? Anything anyone wants to criticise them on? Cortese bashing, agendas, anyone?
To be fair, wages at 59% of turnover is pretty remarkable for the Premier League so it kind of should be supportive.
RedArmy1
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2:18pm Fri 8 Mar 13
THE FOCUS NOW UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON IS ON THE FOOTBALL.
RED ARMY SPECIALISTS.
FIGHT AND WIN.
RedArmy1
says...
2:18pm Fri 8 Mar 13
THE FOCUS NOW UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON IS ON THE FOOTBALL.
RED ARMY SPECIALISTS.
FIGHT AND WIN.
RedArmy1
says...
2:18pm Fri 8 Mar 13
THE FOCUS NOW UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON IS ON THE FOOTBALL.
RED ARMY SPECIALISTS.
FIGHT AND WIN.
saintkenny
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2:26pm Fri 8 Mar 13
szent8 wrote:why do you pompey fans keep pretending to be saints fans .clearly had your directors run your club like the directors have saints ,but you lot seem to forget some thing that have not got a decent stadium and loyal fans .24.000 fans have backed saints up to the top from league at home and away .your lot are just walking away 7000 this season .more next season .thats if you pay up the 7 million you owe chainry .its no coincidence with no skunt comments on any of the threads the show how saints have been run under lieber and cortesse ,you just cant compete and never45 will be able to .you will never see the top league again unlees you knock your stadium down .bulid a 32.000 stadium and training ground ,us and brighton are light years ahead .both planned with infrastructure and for the future over 10 years .all the time you were just cheating status paying what you could not afford over a financial year .after a decade is not surprising whats happened enjoy league 2 if you survive but that is a big IF
No big surprise. In fact it's quite easy. Sack your manager for no reason during the transfer window to ensure that no one will want to sign for the club thereby allowing you to keep your dust covered cheque book safely locked away.
To boost your ego further appoint a manager who doesn't know how to win!
Save Our Saints!!!
saintkenny
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2:41pm Fri 8 Mar 13
MGRA
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2:46pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:German football is an entirely different beast. Most clubs are community sports clubs first and foremost with a huge number of activites under their umbrella. In the Prem is so very different. In England the brand is the premier league, in Germany the brand is the football club itself.Also greedy parasitic agents have less room to cream off millions in Germany due to tighter controls. I know loads of fans who no longer go to games because of the poor facilities and prices...Equally I know loads of people who are new to supporting saints from August 2012... I think the stadium will alway do well if we stay in the Prem.
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
saintkenny
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2:53pm Fri 8 Mar 13
MGRA wrote:i have heard gaston is 35.000 a week .media stated 70.000 euros a week .would explain the finances much better with half the season gone .may well be lower than that .the statement does mention a wage budget
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:German football is an entirely different beast. Most clubs are community sports clubs first and foremost with a huge number of activites under their umbrella. In the Prem is so very different. In England the brand is the premier league, in Germany the brand is the football club itself.Also greedy parasitic agents have less room to cream off millions in Germany due to tighter controls. I know loads of fans who no longer go to games because of the poor facilities and prices...Equally I know loads of people who are new to supporting saints from August 2012... I think the stadium will alway do well if we stay in the Prem.
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
OSPREYSAINT
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2:58pm Fri 8 Mar 13
szent8 wrote:We don't know the reason, so it could have been good or bad. Better than having a good manager walking out on you as he could see no future in staying, 'appy days. Funny I thought Mo Po was the gaffer when we trounced Man City?
No big surprise. In fact it's quite easy. Sack your manager for no reason during the transfer window to ensure that no one will want to sign for the club thereby allowing you to keep your dust covered cheque book safely locked away.
To boost your ego further appoint a manager who doesn't know how to win!
Save Our Saints!!!
St Retford
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2:58pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintkenny wrote:He's bloody right as well.
bbc sport nicola is questioning the new premier league rules ,go and have a read
Because of clubs like Portsmouth being such spaztards, the rest of us will have tight controls on what we can and can't do, meaning Man United are going to win the league forever.
MGRA
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2:58pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintkenny wrote:he looks over paid in anycase... I assume he will look better next season once he gets used to English footy but I suspect we may let him go... not sure about him really it was and is a lot for a part timer.... Saints need more corporate revenue really, they are still crash-poor at that...
MGRA wrote:i have heard gaston is 35.000 a week .media stated 70.000 euros a week .would explain the finances much better with half the season gone .may well be lower than that .the statement does mention a wage budget
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:German football is an entirely different beast. Most clubs are community sports clubs first and foremost with a huge number of activites under their umbrella. In the Prem is so very different. In England the brand is the premier league, in Germany the brand is the football club itself.Also greedy parasitic agents have less room to cream off millions in Germany due to tighter controls. I know loads of fans who no longer go to games because of the poor facilities and prices...Equally I know loads of people who are new to supporting saints from August 2012... I think the stadium will alway do well if we stay in the Prem.
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
Winman
says...
3:02pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Stroppy_gramps wrote:I just want a coffee at half-time!
No one has really done a comparison with other events or attractions on here yet. In my experience the food is just as cr*p and overpriced at ANY event you go to unless you use one of the burger wagons outside (and even they can be pricey too for what you get) I mean the other week I was at a zoo with my 3 year old son - we ate in the restuarant and I was done £25 for one adult meal and a kids meal. My son took one sniff of the chicken nuggets and point blank refused to eat them. I tried one and to call it disgusting would be a compliment. they refused to refund me because he had eaten everything else on the plate. I've been to plenty of events where the catering team were just as disorganised too. Problem is - catering often goes to the lowest bidder. They will only make money by reducing their own costs - that means poor quality food and low paid staff. (you could get away with it by being organised - less people would complain about the quality of the food or drink if they didn't have to wait for it) these days if I get to go to a match (rarely) I don't bother with food or drink if I can help it. I find the day out is made much nicer by stopping off at a nice pub for a meal accompanied by several pints of the landlords finest ale (if I'm not driving) while typing that I just realised something as well - it is kind of self perpetuating. The cr*p food and bad service will continue as long as the fans accept it. If you queue up for 10 minutes, get a dodgy pie and pint and then come on here to moan about it, you have failed because YOU HAVE STILL PAID FOR THE SERVICE. And that is all that really matters - the money in your pocket is now in the pocket of the company that just provided you with rubbish food and service. so why should they bother changing? all they want is your money, once they have it do you honestly think they care? Lots of people pay lip service to how much they care about their customers. I guarantee you that they care as much as it takes to get you to spend money with them once and then a little bit more to get you to spend money with them again. so don't put up with it. don't pay for the service. Whoever is running the concession will soon improve things when they see revenue falling. And if they don't they will go bust and someone else will come in. Keep doing this until a company gets the concession who will provide decent food at a decent price with decent service. I make no comments on whether or not the club have any say in how much each item should sell for.
saintkenny
says...
3:06pm Fri 8 Mar 13
MGRA wrote:did seem a lot money but nigel wanted him nc backed him and with jay rod .and he is only picked up more since mp as come in .maybe these signings and not the defenders we needed was crucial to nigel losing his job ,but i do agree about the marketing .after the lowe years it is new to the lieber and cortesse regime now
saintkenny wrote:he looks over paid in anycase... I assume he will look better next season once he gets used to English footy but I suspect we may let him go... not sure about him really it was and is a lot for a part timer.... Saints need more corporate revenue really, they are still crash-poor at that...
MGRA wrote:i have heard gaston is 35.000 a week .media stated 70.000 euros a week .would explain the finances much better with half the season gone .may well be lower than that .the statement does mention a wage budget
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:German football is an entirely different beast. Most clubs are community sports clubs first and foremost with a huge number of activites under their umbrella. In the Prem is so very different. In England the brand is the premier league, in Germany the brand is the football club itself.Also greedy parasitic agents have less room to cream off millions in Germany due to tighter controls. I know loads of fans who no longer go to games because of the poor facilities and prices...Equally I know loads of people who are new to supporting saints from August 2012... I think the stadium will alway do well if we stay in the Prem.
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
Rising_Son
says...
3:10pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman wrote:Take a thermos.
Stroppy_gramps wrote:I just want a coffee at half-time!
No one has really done a comparison with other events or attractions on here yet. In my experience the food is just as cr*p and overpriced at ANY event you go to unless you use one of the burger wagons outside (and even they can be pricey too for what you get) I mean the other week I was at a zoo with my 3 year old son - we ate in the restuarant and I was done £25 for one adult meal and a kids meal. My son took one sniff of the chicken nuggets and point blank refused to eat them. I tried one and to call it disgusting would be a compliment. they refused to refund me because he had eaten everything else on the plate. I've been to plenty of events where the catering team were just as disorganised too. Problem is - catering often goes to the lowest bidder. They will only make money by reducing their own costs - that means poor quality food and low paid staff. (you could get away with it by being organised - less people would complain about the quality of the food or drink if they didn't have to wait for it) these days if I get to go to a match (rarely) I don't bother with food or drink if I can help it. I find the day out is made much nicer by stopping off at a nice pub for a meal accompanied by several pints of the landlords finest ale (if I'm not driving) while typing that I just realised something as well - it is kind of self perpetuating. The cr*p food and bad service will continue as long as the fans accept it. If you queue up for 10 minutes, get a dodgy pie and pint and then come on here to moan about it, you have failed because YOU HAVE STILL PAID FOR THE SERVICE. And that is all that really matters - the money in your pocket is now in the pocket of the company that just provided you with rubbish food and service. so why should they bother changing? all they want is your money, once they have it do you honestly think they care? Lots of people pay lip service to how much they care about their customers. I guarantee you that they care as much as it takes to get you to spend money with them once and then a little bit more to get you to spend money with them again. so don't put up with it. don't pay for the service. Whoever is running the concession will soon improve things when they see revenue falling. And if they don't they will go bust and someone else will come in. Keep doing this until a company gets the concession who will provide decent food at a decent price with decent service. I make no comments on whether or not the club have any say in how much each item should sell for.
st1halo
says...
3:13pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Bigrich1980 wrote:You're right Bigrich, Press releases stated the figure in Euros and many got confused.so he's not on £70K per wk but Eur70K which equates to a lot less.
Also i believe Ramirex is on half the £70K quoted - i saw a figure being banded around of around £38K per week for ramirez, doing the maths our 6 months wages was £19.47M if one player is on that then that means the rest of the squad are not earning too much.
STID
St Retford
says...
3:22pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintkenny wrote:I don't think Nige had a lot of say in it, to be honest. I think MoPo will have a lot more involvement in future acquisitions from 'the continent' though.
MGRA wrote:did seem a lot money but nigel wanted him nc backed him and with jay rod .and he is only picked up more since mp as come in .maybe these signings and not the defenders we needed was crucial to nigel losing his job ,but i do agree about the marketing .after the lowe years it is new to the lieber and cortesse regime now
saintkenny wrote:he looks over paid in anycase... I assume he will look better next season once he gets used to English footy but I suspect we may let him go... not sure about him really it was and is a lot for a part timer.... Saints need more corporate revenue really, they are still crash-poor at that...
MGRA wrote:i have heard gaston is 35.000 a week .media stated 70.000 euros a week .would explain the finances much better with half the season gone .may well be lower than that .the statement does mention a wage budget
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:German football is an entirely different beast. Most clubs are community sports clubs first and foremost with a huge number of activites under their umbrella. In the Prem is so very different. In England the brand is the premier league, in Germany the brand is the football club itself.Also greedy parasitic agents have less room to cream off millions in Germany due to tighter controls. I know loads of fans who no longer go to games because of the poor facilities and prices...Equally I know loads of people who are new to supporting saints from August 2012... I think the stadium will alway do well if we stay in the Prem.
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
St Retford
says...
3:25pm Fri 8 Mar 13
st1halo wrote:Not that much less!
Bigrich1980 wrote:You're right Bigrich, Press releases stated the figure in Euros and many got confused.so he's not on £70K per wk but Eur70K which equates to a lot less.
Also i believe Ramirex is on half the £70K quoted - i saw a figure being banded around of around £38K per week for ramirez, doing the maths our 6 months wages was £19.47M if one player is on that then that means the rest of the squad are not earning too much.
STID
saintkenny
says...
3:27pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:i do nigel chose those players .i believe mp chose forren though .i think the amount of cash given to nigel to spend and we he did buy cost him is job.and with another window opening up it was time to get shot .does make sense if you think about it .if nc or any other on the board buy players .we got one in .that for me says it all
saintkenny wrote:I don't think Nige had a lot of say in it, to be honest. I think MoPo will have a lot more involvement in future acquisitions from 'the continent' though.
MGRA wrote:did seem a lot money but nigel wanted him nc backed him and with jay rod .and he is only picked up more since mp as come in .maybe these signings and not the defenders we needed was crucial to nigel losing his job ,but i do agree about the marketing .after the lowe years it is new to the lieber and cortesse regime now
saintkenny wrote:he looks over paid in anycase... I assume he will look better next season once he gets used to English footy but I suspect we may let him go... not sure about him really it was and is a lot for a part timer.... Saints need more corporate revenue really, they are still crash-poor at that...
MGRA wrote:i have heard gaston is 35.000 a week .media stated 70.000 euros a week .would explain the finances much better with half the season gone .may well be lower than that .the statement does mention a wage budget
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:German football is an entirely different beast. Most clubs are community sports clubs first and foremost with a huge number of activites under their umbrella. In the Prem is so very different. In England the brand is the premier league, in Germany the brand is the football club itself.Also greedy parasitic agents have less room to cream off millions in Germany due to tighter controls. I know loads of fans who no longer go to games because of the poor facilities and prices...Equally I know loads of people who are new to supporting saints from August 2012... I think the stadium will alway do well if we stay in the Prem.
St.Yorkie wrote:Wages. If the likes of Ramirez are on £70k a week that's a lot of tickets, pies and pints to sell!
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
george chivers
says...
3:29pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Stroppy_gramps wrote:On here a few months ago a prominent poster said the catering company belonged to Nicola Cortese.
No one has really done a comparison with other events or attractions on here yet.
In my experience the food is just as cr*p and overpriced at ANY event you go to unless you use one of the burger wagons outside (and even they can be pricey too for what you get)
I mean the other week I was at a zoo with my 3 year old son - we ate in the restuarant and I was done £25 for one adult meal and a kids meal.
My son took one sniff of the chicken nuggets and point blank refused to eat them. I tried one and to call it disgusting would be a compliment.
they refused to refund me because he had eaten everything else on the plate.
I've been to plenty of events where the catering team were just as disorganised too.
Problem is - catering often goes to the lowest bidder. They will only make money by reducing their own costs - that means poor quality food and low paid staff.
(you could get away with it by being organised - less people would complain about the quality of the food or drink if they didn't have to wait for it)
these days if I get to go to a match (rarely) I don't bother with food or drink if I can help it. I find the day out is made much nicer by stopping off at a nice pub for a meal accompanied by several pints of the landlords finest ale (if I'm not driving)
while typing that I just realised something as well - it is kind of self perpetuating. The cr*p food and bad service will continue as long as the fans accept it.
If you queue up for 10 minutes, get a dodgy pie and pint and then come on here to moan about it, you have failed because YOU HAVE STILL PAID FOR THE SERVICE. And that is all that really matters - the money in your pocket is now in the pocket of the company that just provided you with rubbish food and service. so why should they bother changing? all they want is your money, once they have it do you honestly think they care? Lots of people pay lip service to how much they care about their customers. I guarantee you that they care as much as it takes to get you to spend money with them once and then a little bit more to get you to spend money with them again.
so don't put up with it. don't pay for the service. Whoever is running the concession will soon improve things when they see revenue falling. And if they don't they will go bust and someone else will come in. Keep doing this until a company gets the concession who will provide decent food at a decent price with decent service.
I make no comments on whether or not the club have any say in how much each item should sell for.
Whether that is true or not, I have no idea. But, if it is, then you know who to complain to.
I occasionally buy a burger from the van outside of the ground. Decent quality, with a good selection of sauces and well cooked onions. And good quick service.
But only when I've missed my lunch or it is very cold.
Mush On The Beach
says...
3:32pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:It's all about staying within your budgetry constraints, rather a banker at the helm than a skint arab.
st1halo wrote:Not that much less!
Bigrich1980 wrote:You're right Bigrich, Press releases stated the figure in Euros and many got confused.so he's not on £70K per wk but Eur70K which equates to a lot less.
Also i believe Ramirex is on half the £70K quoted - i saw a figure being banded around of around £38K per week for ramirez, doing the maths our 6 months wages was £19.47M if one player is on that then that means the rest of the squad are not earning too much.
STID
I feel a song coming on.
Mush On The Beach
says...
3:35pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Ghost Town You're Wondering Now, A Message to You Skunty, Running Away, Man at C&A. I’m guessing Jerry Dammers and the boys visited them on Coventry away days and got inspired.
I feel another Specials song coming on myself:
The Specials (AKA Special Needs PFC) - Stupid Skunt Marriage
Court in session.
What do you mean.
'Oy oy oy'? Must have court in session.
Order. My name is Judge Pickle Roughneck,
And I will not tolerate any skunt disobedience in my courtroom.
Rude skunt boy, you have been brought in
Front of me and charged
With smashing this premier league’s spending window.
Before I sentence you,
What have you got to say in your defence?
I was walking to Farton Park one night,
When I saw a trophy silhouette in the bathroom light.
Honest way of life is something to hide,
With deceitful frosted glass shattered, trophy cabinet open wide.
Naked skunt man, cheating fan,
Where did you get that fake sun tan?
You live in a castle built of sand,
Naked skunt man, cheating fan...
Naked from your bath,
You go cheating to your bed,
And you can't stop the hatred,
Running through your head.
Silence in court. Order.
Rude skunt boy, you have led me to believe
That you was going out with a gun running crook,
And she left you and married someone else.
So you got skunt skint,
And smashed up your players contracts.
I have come to one conclusion,
That is to sentence you to liquidation.
Before they take you down to the cells,
What have you got to say for yourself?
We wanted to be something but we know we never will,
Saints fans have got us where they wanted,
And so we have take our pill.
And we think that
we'll be happy when we’re hanging out the PST nappies.
If that's a happy PFC marriage
I'd prefer to be unhappy!
Liquidated woman, Liquidated man...
Where did you get that skunt financial plan?
Mrs Dinage and Mr average fan,
Where did you get that lovely scam?
Naked skunt man, cheating fan,
Where did you get that fake sun tan?
(Order in my courtroom .... Take him away)
TO THE LIQUIDATION ROOM
st1halo
says...
3:44pm Fri 8 Mar 13
szent8 wrote:As Nigel is still being paid that doesn't really make sense szent!
No big surprise. In fact it's quite easy. Sack your manager for no reason during the transfer window to ensure that no one will want to sign for the club thereby allowing you to keep your dust covered cheque book safely locked away.
To boost your ego further appoint a manager who doesn't know how to win!
Save Our Saints!!!
STID
(see what I did there!)
St Retford
says...
3:45pm Fri 8 Mar 13
george chivers wrote:Halo Conferences & Events (which does the catering for the posh seats) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Southampton Football Club.
Stroppy_gramps wrote:On here a few months ago a prominent poster said the catering company belonged to Nicola Cortese.
No one has really done a comparison with other events or attractions on here yet.
In my experience the food is just as cr*p and overpriced at ANY event you go to unless you use one of the burger wagons outside (and even they can be pricey too for what you get)
I mean the other week I was at a zoo with my 3 year old son - we ate in the restuarant and I was done £25 for one adult meal and a kids meal.
My son took one sniff of the chicken nuggets and point blank refused to eat them. I tried one and to call it disgusting would be a compliment.
they refused to refund me because he had eaten everything else on the plate.
I've been to plenty of events where the catering team were just as disorganised too.
Problem is - catering often goes to the lowest bidder. They will only make money by reducing their own costs - that means poor quality food and low paid staff.
(you could get away with it by being organised - less people would complain about the quality of the food or drink if they didn't have to wait for it)
these days if I get to go to a match (rarely) I don't bother with food or drink if I can help it. I find the day out is made much nicer by stopping off at a nice pub for a meal accompanied by several pints of the landlords finest ale (if I'm not driving)
while typing that I just realised something as well - it is kind of self perpetuating. The cr*p food and bad service will continue as long as the fans accept it.
If you queue up for 10 minutes, get a dodgy pie and pint and then come on here to moan about it, you have failed because YOU HAVE STILL PAID FOR THE SERVICE. And that is all that really matters - the money in your pocket is now in the pocket of the company that just provided you with rubbish food and service. so why should they bother changing? all they want is your money, once they have it do you honestly think they care? Lots of people pay lip service to how much they care about their customers. I guarantee you that they care as much as it takes to get you to spend money with them once and then a little bit more to get you to spend money with them again.
so don't put up with it. don't pay for the service. Whoever is running the concession will soon improve things when they see revenue falling. And if they don't they will go bust and someone else will come in. Keep doing this until a company gets the concession who will provide decent food at a decent price with decent service.
I make no comments on whether or not the club have any say in how much each item should sell for.
Whether that is true or not, I have no idea. But, if it is, then you know who to complain to.
I occasionally buy a burger from the van outside of the ground. Decent quality, with a good selection of sauces and well cooked onions. And good quick service.
But only when I've missed my lunch or it is very cold.
(Which is slightly but significantly different to 'belonging to NC'.)
Block 34
says...
4:06pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Winman wrote:Spot on!!
swesaint wrote:Cheers for that, except I don't think it's just me - in fact I know it isn't. I guess you must be easily pleased...Winman wrote: perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time. Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service... P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?Maybe change your sn from winman to whineman
"Oh there's no food, we sold everything we had before the game" - what a joke, but sadly a very bad one.
If this really is NC's catering company I fear for our future!
Catering at SMS is like an episode of the keystone cops, but ticketing is similar & the "fan" experience makes me want to support Orient... now there's a thought... if you keep treating your customers badly sooner or later even the most loyal will walk...
warrens 76
says...
4:13pm Fri 8 Mar 13
...however football fans are not deemed worthy Norwich excepted..good food does young Delia.
Similarly the rules and regulations at football are demanded by elf and Safety..yet again when I went to Twickers not one jobsworth told me I could'nt stand, sing, eat, drink...in fact I was not given an order all day...delightful...
...Wembley drove me insane, under the concourse a whineing nasally Livingsonesque voice constantly reminded me I could not smoke, reminded me I could not take a drink into the seated areas (my beer was topped up in my seat at Twickers!) reminded me I could not stand, reminded me I had to drink up...
....on and feckin on..then repeated every 5 bläädy minutes, absolutely horrible....
warrens 76
says...
4:16pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Block 34 wrote:SFC have 'always' treated fans badly...
Winman wrote:Spot on!!
swesaint wrote:Cheers for that, except I don't think it's just me - in fact I know it isn't. I guess you must be easily pleased...Winman wrote: perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time. Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service... P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?Maybe change your sn from winman to whineman
"Oh there's no food, we sold everything we had before the game" - what a joke, but sadly a very bad one.
If this really is NC's catering company I fear for our future!
Catering at SMS is like an episode of the keystone cops, but ticketing is similar & the "fan" experience makes me want to support Orient... now there's a thought... if you keep treating your customers badly sooner or later even the most loyal will walk...
The officildom just does not 'connect' with the supporters....
Loathe as I am to admit it but pmuff officials and staff (not owners) have a much closer bond than our lot with their supporters.
warrens 76
says...
4:20pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Mush On The Beach wrote:Or Skunts..
I used to love the Specials what a top band.
Ghost Town You're Wondering Now, A Message to You Skunty, Running Away, Man at C&A. I’m guessing Jerry Dammers and the boys visited them on Coventry away days and got inspired.
I feel another Specials song coming on myself:
The Specials (AKA Special Needs PFC) - Stupid Skunt Marriage
Court in session.
What do you mean.
'Oy oy oy'? Must have court in session.
Order. My name is Judge Pickle Roughneck,
And I will not tolerate any skunt disobedience in my courtroom.
Rude skunt boy, you have been brought in
Front of me and charged
With smashing this premier league’s spending window.
Before I sentence you,
What have you got to say in your defence?
I was walking to Farton Park one night,
When I saw a trophy silhouette in the bathroom light.
Honest way of life is something to hide,
With deceitful frosted glass shattered, trophy cabinet open wide.
Naked skunt man, cheating fan,
Where did you get that fake sun tan?
You live in a castle built of sand,
Naked skunt man, cheating fan...
Naked from your bath,
You go cheating to your bed,
And you can't stop the hatred,
Running through your head.
Silence in court. Order.
Rude skunt boy, you have led me to believe
That you was going out with a gun running crook,
And she left you and married someone else.
So you got skunt skint,
And smashed up your players contracts.
I have come to one conclusion,
That is to sentence you to liquidation.
Before they take you down to the cells,
What have you got to say for yourself?
We wanted to be something but we know we never will,
Saints fans have got us where they wanted,
And so we have take our pill.
And we think that
we'll be happy when we’re hanging out the PST nappies.
If that's a happy PFC marriage
I'd prefer to be unhappy!
Liquidated woman, Liquidated man...
Where did you get that skunt financial plan?
Mrs Dinage and Mr average fan,
Where did you get that lovely scam?
Naked skunt man, cheating fan,
Where did you get that fake sun tan?
(Order in my courtroom .... Take him away)
TO THE LIQUIDATION ROOM
stop your messin around,
better look to your future,
less you wind up ...in jail..
Blackwaterblue
says...
4:29pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford
says...
4:33pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:You know, if I absolutely HAD to put on a long black trench coat, get tooled up with guns and grenades and then go on an indiscriminate shooting spree, killing as many people as I could before turning the gun on myself, I'd do it at Twickenham.
It is possible to get fantastic food at major sporting events try Twickenham..christ on a bike, the choice and quality is outstanding...
...however football fans are not deemed worthy Norwich excepted..good food does young Delia.
Similarly the rules and regulations at football are demanded by elf and Safety..yet again when I went to Twickers not one jobsworth told me I could'nt stand, sing, eat, drink...in fact I was not given an order all day...delightful...
...Wembley drove me insane, under the concourse a whineing nasally Livingsonesque voice constantly reminded me I could not smoke, reminded me I could not take a drink into the seated areas (my beer was topped up in my seat at Twickers!) reminded me I could not stand, reminded me I had to drink up...
....on and feckin on..then repeated every 5 bläädy minutes, absolutely horrible....
warrens 76
says...
4:35pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Blackwaterblue wrote:I agree the future of southern league football.
Maybe, put the prices up again, make a bit more money and invest in PST, the future of southern football!
warrens 76
says...
4:41pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St Retford wrote:Keep eating our food and you probably will....mad donkey disease and all that.
warrens 76 wrote:You know, if I absolutely HAD to put on a long black trench coat, get tooled up with guns and grenades and then go on an indiscriminate shooting spree, killing as many people as I could before turning the gun on myself, I'd do it at Twickenham.
It is possible to get fantastic food at major sporting events try Twickenham..christ on a bike, the choice and quality is outstanding...
...however football fans are not deemed worthy Norwich excepted..good food does young Delia.
Similarly the rules and regulations at football are demanded by elf and Safety..yet again when I went to Twickers not one jobsworth told me I could'nt stand, sing, eat, drink...in fact I was not given an order all day...delightful...
...Wembley drove me insane, under the concourse a whineing nasally Livingsonesque voice constantly reminded me I could not smoke, reminded me I could not take a drink into the seated areas (my beer was topped up in my seat at Twickers!) reminded me I could not stand, reminded me I had to drink up...
....on and feckin on..then repeated every 5 bläädy minutes, absolutely horrible....
Block 34
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4:44pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Sadly true , but they are a smaller club with a VERY small stadium, which helps. No excuses though
Block 34 wrote:SFC have 'always' treated fans badly... The officildom just does not 'connect' with the supporters.... Loathe as I am to admit it but pmuff officials and staff (not owners) have a much closer bond than our lot with their supporters.Winman wrote:Spot on!! "Oh there's no food, we sold everything we had before the game" - what a joke, but sadly a very bad one. If this really is NC's catering company I fear for our future! Catering at SMS is like an episode of the keystone cops, but ticketing is similar & the "fan" experience makes me want to support Orient... now there's a thought... if you keep treating your customers badly sooner or later even the most loyal will walk...swesaint wrote:Cheers for that, except I don't think it's just me - in fact I know it isn't. I guess you must be easily pleased...Winman wrote: perhaps the REAL moneymakers - the fans - can now be helped with improved catering services at the ground. No hot food at half-time last week in Kingsland; the usual 'is it black or white?' coffee debate, followed by the hunt for the milk, not to mention the disgraceful inadequate service. The kids behind the counter do their best, but they are untrained and ill-prepared for demands of hundreds of customers at a time. Come on Nicola PLC - start applying the 'Southampton way' to top notch customer service... P.S. Is it me, or have the coffee cups got smaller?Maybe change your sn from winman to whineman
And, in response to an earlier post, why a pie? 'cos I've had a few beers and I fancy one! If you can't organise your catering don't bl**dy sell 'em!! When fans come along with the expectation of some kind of fayre then its always going to be annoying when it seems to be run by a bunch of tw*ats!! No improvement week in week out - we have to keep shouting about this until SOMEONE (god forbid, ANYONE) takes some notice!!!
I know, I know...
Mush On The Beach
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4:48pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Warrens you poor old unpampered fool.
It is possible to get fantastic food at major sporting events try Twickenham..christ on a bike, the choice and quality is outstanding...
...however football fans are not deemed worthy Norwich excepted..good food does young Delia.
Similarly the rules and regulations at football are demanded by elf and Safety..yet again when I went to Twickers not one jobsworth told me I could'nt stand, sing, eat, drink...in fact I was not given an order all day...delightful...
...Wembley drove me insane, under the concourse a whineing nasally Livingsonesque voice constantly reminded me I could not smoke, reminded me I could not take a drink into the seated areas (my beer was topped up in my seat at Twickers!) reminded me I could not stand, reminded me I had to drink up...
....on and feckin on..then repeated every 5 bläädy minutes, absolutely horrible....
Come and watch the Perth Glory with me.
The food and beer is sh1te, but at least the security will share a spliff with you.
AUSTRALIA for the world cup, it’s shambolic. We got ripped off by FIFA along with England and USA, it will now be 2022, you heard it here 1st. (I have been wrong before, I said the skunts wouldn't go bankrupt (hold on?) :))
promised land
says...
4:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Blackwaterblue wrote:No thanks ! You stick to your pipe dream. Reality will be you'll continue as a bottom league dweller.
Maybe, put the prices up again, make a bit more money and invest in PST, the future of southern football!
Clever Dick
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4:59pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:There appear to be a few omissions here. After smelly should come Bankrupt.
Confucious wrote:So, it's a downward spiral:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Poor people can't afford Saints and never could.
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
They still couldn't afford it when they were told they were no longer poor, but 'needy' instead. And they still couldn't when they were told they were no longer needy, but 'deprived'. Same thing when they then became 'underprivileged' instead of deprived and then 'disadvantaged' instead of underprivileged.
I don't think these politically correct buzz words have helped them at all, though to be fair, their vocabulary must have improved quite a lot.
I'm the sort who would support with enthusiasm and cash a special fund to help poor people attend matches. They deserve to be treated with far more generosity and above all, far more dignity, than is currently the case.
I do however think they should all be put into the Chapel corner together because they do smell.
Poor
Needy
Deprived
Underprivileged
Disadvantaged
Smelly
Skunt
Morally bankrupt
Both bankrupt and morally bankrupt
Then Skunt.
PTID1898
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5:04pm Fri 8 Mar 13
SO50 Saint
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5:09pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Beer Monster
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5:11pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Mush On The Beach wrote:This is true, though any policy that the Hearts management currently employ wouldn't surprise me - they're heading the same way as the skunts and no mistake. Hence why I'm off to Hampden Park next week to watch them in the Scottish League Cup final, before they disappear altogether.
St Retford wrote:I’ve heard that Hearts fans can now download an app that gives them the chance to order their beer and food and have it delivered to their seats. Never again will I call the Scots barbaric, Sweaty and tight yes.
Football catering is (probably literally) arse, but I've never understood why so many are so keen to eat at half time. I mean, on what other day of the week would you think "Oh, it's a quarter to four - I'm going to have a pie"?
(What I'm basically saying is that you should all just stay in your seats.)
(So that me and my mates don't have to queue up for beer and pies.)
Personally I haven't eaten anything at a football stadium for quite some time, and even then it was my homemade sandwiches when I was a STH at SMS. But I do recall leaving my seat after the optimum time of 38 minutes most matches to avoid the queue for a pint.
OSPREYSAINT
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5:16pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Blackwaterblue wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk
Maybe, put the prices up again, make a bit more money and invest in PST, the future of southern football!
/sport/0/football/21
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saintkenny
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5:17pm Fri 8 Mar 13
PTID1898 wrote:can you read thicko were in profit and were not going to be relegated but you will be to league2 4th tier of football .only if you back chainry the 7 million back of is money you owe him and the 2 other owners pup pay up pledges go and find the 7000 fairweather fans that have walked away stid and that will be considerly a lot longer than portsmuff tick tock tick tock 10th april
It will all mean jack sh**e when you get relegated, high earners less money coming in, back in debt oh sorry you already are in debt because when he sells up and takes his shares back out the club which amounts to around £30m then you will be stuffed oh well never mind! You will soon learn, PLAY UP POMPEY
Clever Dick
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5:27pm Fri 8 Mar 13
PTID1898 wrote:Pay Up Pledges. Should we go down we may well have to modify our wage bill a bit. Say for example we decide to sell a few players. That would be £12M for Gaston, £10M for Lallana or Shaw, a minimum of £5 each for Cork Spider Clyne Puncheon J Rod etc etc etc. I know it hurts but hasn't it sunk in yet. Obviously not. Our club is worth £250 million and rising. Should the owners wish to sell it will be at the going rate. It follows that only a massively wealthy individual or consortium would be able to make such a purchase. The days are gone when the likes of Ted Bates can buy a club for £1. Actually when I think about it there is one club but nobody seems to think it very good value do they.
It will all mean jack sh**e when you get relegated, high earners less money coming in, back in debt oh sorry you already are in debt because when he sells up and takes his shares back out the club which amounts to around £30m then you will be stuffed oh well never mind! You will soon learn, PLAY UP POMPEY
Stroppy_gramps
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5:28pm Fri 8 Mar 13
PTID1898 wrote:I know I shouldn't respond to the troll but.....
It will all mean jack sh**e when you get relegated, high earners less money coming in, back in debt oh sorry you already are in debt because when he sells up and takes his shares back out the club which amounts to around £30m then you will be stuffed oh well never mind! You will soon learn, PLAY UP POMPEY
seriously if you think you can predict the future, give us the numbers on tonights lottery.
even if NC does ever go, he will leave behind him a well supported, financially viable club with great facilities, a UEFA 4 star rated stadium and one of the best academies in the country (this may have been mentioned to you once or twice)
So finding a new owner won't be too hard.
See the thing is, infrastructure actually counts for something in the modern game. you might want to remember that if you get to own £2 worth of the kipper shed.
no sink back down and join the rest of the bottom feeders
lowe esteem
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5:38pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Went to Box Office this week 7 Chelsea tickets, credit card or debit card attracts £1.50 a ticket!. Ticket system 'down', so unable to complete transaction, so bang on some more via the parking clock! Then get tickets in the post!
Similar arrangement for our Norwich tickets, and then we find we could have gone down there and paid cash on the day.
Don't ask me where all the extra income is from?
If you're a bargain hunter, get your Arsene down to Carrow Road.
lowemustgo
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5:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
The only reason that private companies release their financial results to the press (particularly half year results) is to see if they can attract a buyer.
Saints have not published half year results since they were a public company in the dark lord's day.
So roll up you Arab sheikhs, Russian oligarchs and anyone else with more money than sense who wants a new toy?
If its not true then lets hear a denial from the chairman?
puppy saint
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6:01pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Mush On The Beach
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6:07pm Fri 8 Mar 13
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/sport/footbal
l/football_league/10
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warrens 76
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6:17pm Fri 8 Mar 13
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
OSPREYSAINT
says...
6:19pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Never mind, always look on the bright side of life.
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Confucious
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6:23pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Ring the Samaritans?
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
warrens 76
says...
6:24pm Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:black, black...
warrens 76 wrote:Never mind, always look on the bright side of life.
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
saintkenny
says...
6:24pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:well we have sover 20 away norwich only 27 home and away .yes were are playing a more pressing game .we started to defend better with this 5 game after game borac clyne fonte shaw yoshida .the solution is get this 5 back in the same team .and we have not fielded this back 5 .the cover is a problem .weve got fonte back looks like shaw is fit now.but i believe the answer lyes there scoring goals has not been a problem
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
slugger
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6:28pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76
says...
6:30pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintkenny wrote:It would certainly help...we still need to convert effort to chances though..following confucious's advise I phoned Samaritans and they agreed and are now seeking thrapy themselves!
warrens 76 wrote:well we have sover 20 away norwich only 27 home and away .yes were are playing a more pressing game .we started to defend better with this 5 game after game borac clyne fonte shaw yoshida .the solution is get this 5 back in the same team .and we have not fielded this back 5 .the cover is a problem .weve got fonte back looks like shaw is fit now.but i believe the answer lyes there scoring goals has not been a problem
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
slugger
says...
6:32pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Just support , it's our job .
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Velleity
says...
6:53pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Score more, concede fewer.
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
saintkenny
says...
6:54pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:to be fair qpr werent great but they defended well .and we were a bit sloppy at the back .but i felt we needed a 2nd goal as to make sure we get a point .think were still adjusting to to mps style .you never it just might click into place .a couple of wins in the last 10 and it could look a lot different.if you take all the bottom 4 have to play each other .so they cant all get max points in those games 30 points left .9 or 12 points could be enough .be a clearer picture after the liverpool game .just 24 points up for grabs
saintkenny wrote:It would certainly help...we still need to convert effort to chances though..following confucious's advise I phoned Samaritans and they agreed and are now seeking thrapy themselves!
warrens 76 wrote:well we have sover 20 away norwich only 27 home and away .yes were are playing a more pressing game .we started to defend better with this 5 game after game borac clyne fonte shaw yoshida .the solution is get this 5 back in the same team .and we have not fielded this back 5 .the cover is a problem .weve got fonte back looks like shaw is fit now.but i believe the answer lyes there scoring goals has not been a problem
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
OSPREYSAINT
says...
7:06pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:That has got me snookered?
OSPREYSAINT wrote:black, black...
warrens 76 wrote:Never mind, always look on the bright side of life.
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
MGRA
says...
7:08pm Fri 8 Mar 13
slugger wrote:could well be the difference.... Norwich fans are notorious for going quiet when things go pear-shaped... think its points for the taking, both teams can win my a margin if things go their way, I am going for a 3-1 ,,,,, to someone !!
warrens 76 wrote:Just support , it's our job .
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
OSPREYSAINT
says...
7:08pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Confucious wrote:08457909090 or 02392691313 in Portsmouth
warrens 76 wrote:Ring the Samaritans?
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Crossley Place Saint
says...
7:30pm Fri 8 Mar 13
MGRA
says...
7:40pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Crossley Place Saint wrote:many may be worried about a premier league club close to the relegation zone and with huge one-way payments going through the system so you are not alone, but, if we go down 8 players will leave for about £30M-£40M and so we will not be back to square one, just not in the best shape to bounce back asap.....unless someone still is seeing the potential etc etc. If you look at the figures , Saints are not in the position Pompey were, far from it....
So, we bought promotion to the Premier League for £38 million, knowing that even if the worst happens and we get relegated we get £60 million of parachute payments. And our wage bill was 102% of turnover, grossly in excess of UEFA guidelines and the new "Fair Play" regulations. To me this seems the economics of the madhouse, the same ideas that caused the downfall of our neighbours along the M27. Am I the only lifelong supporter on here who is worried?
SOULJACKER
says...
7:46pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Mush On The Beach wrote:Blimey man, I may have to dig my old Specials albums out now....er, oh bugger I don't have a record player anymore, my bad :(
I used to love the Specials what a top band.
Ghost Town You're Wondering Now, A Message to You Skunty, Running Away, Man at C&A. I’m guessing Jerry Dammers and the boys visited them on Coventry away days and got inspired.
I feel another Specials song coming on myself:
The Specials (AKA Special Needs PFC) - Stupid Skunt Marriage
Court in session.
What do you mean.
'Oy oy oy'? Must have court in session.
Order. My name is Judge Pickle Roughneck,
And I will not tolerate any skunt disobedience in my courtroom.
Rude skunt boy, you have been brought in
Front of me and charged
With smashing this premier league’s spending window.
Before I sentence you,
What have you got to say in your defence?
I was walking to Farton Park one night,
When I saw a trophy silhouette in the bathroom light.
Honest way of life is something to hide,
With deceitful frosted glass shattered, trophy cabinet open wide.
Naked skunt man, cheating fan,
Where did you get that fake sun tan?
You live in a castle built of sand,
Naked skunt man, cheating fan...
Naked from your bath,
You go cheating to your bed,
And you can't stop the hatred,
Running through your head.
Silence in court. Order.
Rude skunt boy, you have led me to believe
That you was going out with a gun running crook,
And she left you and married someone else.
So you got skunt skint,
And smashed up your players contracts.
I have come to one conclusion,
That is to sentence you to liquidation.
Before they take you down to the cells,
What have you got to say for yourself?
We wanted to be something but we know we never will,
Saints fans have got us where they wanted,
And so we have take our pill.
And we think that
we'll be happy when we’re hanging out the PST nappies.
If that's a happy PFC marriage
I'd prefer to be unhappy!
Liquidated woman, Liquidated man...
Where did you get that skunt financial plan?
Mrs Dinage and Mr average fan,
Where did you get that lovely scam?
Naked skunt man, cheating fan,
Where did you get that fake sun tan?
(Order in my courtroom .... Take him away)
TO THE LIQUIDATION ROOM
saintlysoul
says...
8:00pm Fri 8 Mar 13
warrens 76 wrote:Team v Norwich
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Boruc, Yoshida, Fonte, Hoovield, Shaw, Spider, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana, Lambert, Rodriguez.
Puncheon overlooked!!!!
saintkenny
says...
8:00pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Crossley Place Saint wrote:wouild you be more worried if you were a qpr fan .just annonced 90 million debt and 2 players get paid 800.000 a month .at least we have kept a sensible budget and we get 14.000 fans each home game more than they do.ok they won last week but they wont come against a defense like saints was .still think there go .2 places remain villa could finish qpr if they dont beat the mackems .oniels lads will fight came back from 2 nil down last week
So, we bought promotion to the Premier League for £38 million, knowing that even if the worst happens and we get relegated we get £60 million of parachute payments. And our wage bill was 102% of turnover, grossly in excess of UEFA guidelines and the new "Fair Play" regulations. To me this seems the economics of the madhouse, the same ideas that caused the downfall of our neighbours along the M27. Am I the only lifelong supporter on here who is worried?
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:04pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintlysoul wrote:r u ITK? Is Spider fit? He hasn't been training with rest.
warrens 76 wrote:Team v Norwich
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Boruc, Yoshida, Fonte, Hoovield, Shaw, Spider, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana, Lambert, Rodriguez.
Puncheon overlooked!!!!
saintlysoul
says...
8:08pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintlysoul
says...
8:09pm Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:That's my understanding Osprey.
saintlysoul wrote:r u ITK? Is Spider fit? He hasn't been training with rest.
warrens 76 wrote:Team v Norwich
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Boruc, Yoshida, Fonte, Hoovield, Shaw, Spider, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana, Lambert, Rodriguez.
Puncheon overlooked!!!!
SFCOLDBOY
says...
8:23pm Fri 8 Mar 13
insane saint wrote:There are a few undesirables in the Chapel who get quite larey particularly when that annoying ref keeps blowing his whistle.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:it is not to bad in the chapel seed
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
It seems to have a very undesirable effect on their hearing aids, this has been known on a few occasions to have caused them to wake up.
Anyway Insane Saint,Insane jnr, me and er indoors will be making the usual racket.
You'll know its us, we will be wearing our crash helmets as usual, to divert the Werther Originals, that gets chucked at us.
COYR
Confucious
says...
8:24pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Confucious
says...
8:29pm Fri 8 Mar 13
SFCOLDBOY wrote:There are four dead blokes in the Kingsland.
insane saint wrote:There are a few undesirables in the Chapel who get quite larey particularly when that annoying ref keeps blowing his whistle.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:it is not to bad in the chapel seed
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
It seems to have a very undesirable effect on their hearing aids, this has been known on a few occasions to have caused them to wake up.
Anyway Insane Saint,Insane jnr, me and er indoors will be making the usual racket.
You'll know its us, we will be wearing our crash helmets as usual, to divert the Werther Originals, that gets chucked at us.
COYR
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:30pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintlysoul wrote:That's good news if true. I don't know about a toad in the hole, but a frog is much better in the wet.
OSPREYSAINT wrote:That's my understanding Osprey.
saintlysoul wrote:r u ITK? Is Spider fit? He hasn't been training with rest.
warrens 76 wrote:Team v Norwich
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Boruc, Yoshida, Fonte, Hoovield, Shaw, Spider, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana, Lambert, Rodriguez.
Puncheon overlooked!!!!
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:35pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Confucious wrote:Recently it's been the incessant chatter of the false teeth that's been most distracting in Kingsland South, mind you it has been taters. Those four dead guys aren't much fun, they never join in, but at least they don't walk out five minutes before the end, loyal to a fault.
SFCOLDBOY wrote:There are four dead blokes in the Kingsland.
insane saint wrote:There are a few undesirables in the Chapel who get quite larey particularly when that annoying ref keeps blowing his whistle.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:it is not to bad in the chapel seed
Ticket prices will adjust according to demand. Some say ours are inflated, I'm not sure. My local publican wanted a couple of corporate for the Chelski game but it was sold out so I did a deal for my two tickets. I was busy yesterday morning and didnt check my emails until the afternoon. The automated one from SFC was there saying Chelsea tickets on sale so I logged on instantly. I needed 4 together - no chance in the Northam or the Kingsland so I'm doing my first visit to the Chapel - there were only two groups of 4 left.
When tickets sell like that there is no business sense whatsoever in reducing prices, in fact there is an argument for putting them up!
It seems to have a very undesirable effect on their hearing aids, this has been known on a few occasions to have caused them to wake up.
Anyway Insane Saint,Insane jnr, me and er indoors will be making the usual racket.
You'll know its us, we will be wearing our crash helmets as usual, to divert the Werther Originals, that gets chucked at us.
COYR
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:58pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintlysoul
says...
9:12pm Fri 8 Mar 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Steven Davis hasn't travelled upset stomach. It'll be interesting to see who is on the bench, no doubt Puncheon, Kelvin and JWP but who will be there for cover in case Shaw is injured? Will Shaw be able to play 90 minutes? Should be interesting.
Right back seems to be a problem, would have preferred Richardson to Maya, or even Butterfield!
bluewhiteandred
says...
9:42pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Bigrich1980 wrote:You are well run yes but Harry redknapp takes risks if he succeeds QPR may stay in premier and win some thing at a later date saints play safe and dont win anything and get relegated anyway as no high value or class players signed .
This is good news and it shows how well we are run as a club as QPR have announced this week their debt has risen to £89M can you say Pompey if they go down. I feel a couple of big signings in the summer, coupled with all the high earning rubbish (De Ridder, Du Prado, Fox, Hammond, Barnard, Forte etc) being sold i think our club will be in a nice financial position. COYR 3 points tomorrow - staying in the prem is imperative to keeping the finances the way they are.
RedArmy1
says...
10:09pm Fri 8 Mar 13
MP TIME TO DELIVER AT LEAST ONE POINT ON THE BOARD.
WOOLSTON CONNECTION - RED ARMY SPECIALISTS - RED ARMY FACTION ......
TOGETHER AS ONE !!
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRMY
WE RULE THE SOUTH.
WE GO TO NORWICH FOR MORE POINTS ON THE BOARD.
F Fan
says...
10:19pm Fri 8 Mar 13
St.Yorkie wrote:Recall a few years ago you were staying away because of Lowe, and then because they didn't open the corner section at the Northam end of the Itchen and now .............
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
saintkenny
says...
10:35pm Fri 8 Mar 13
bluewhiteandred wrote:but like harry did with your spending the rest of the time regretting it and administration and relegations .harry is now starting at qpr what he did at you .and you only stayed 7 years not 13 premier league years .harry stiil needs 6 wins we only need 3 .and hes got villa qpr and wigan .there still go down .there only living on fernandes money to players on 400.000 a month already 90 million in debt .only get 18.000 .qpr fans will find out later .this will be harrys last job .non league after that either you or pool town
Bigrich1980 wrote:You are well run yes but Harry redknapp takes risks if he succeeds QPR may stay in premier and win some thing at a later date saints play safe and dont win anything and get relegated anyway as no high value or class players signed .
This is good news and it shows how well we are run as a club as QPR have announced this week their debt has risen to £89M can you say Pompey if they go down. I feel a couple of big signings in the summer, coupled with all the high earning rubbish (De Ridder, Du Prado, Fox, Hammond, Barnard, Forte etc) being sold i think our club will be in a nice financial position. COYR 3 points tomorrow - staying in the prem is imperative to keeping the finances the way they are.
saintkenny
says...
10:44pm Fri 8 Mar 13
saintkenny wrote:it was not a risk at spurs .spurs is a big london club ,but at pompey it was a huge risk because your a small club like qpr .therefore in the end they wiil go the same road like 18.000 crowds 17.000 crowds .spurs got 36.000 .harry wanted to furher raise the wages to keep moderic at spurs and gamble .levi said no way and sacked him .and now spurs aint doing bad without him are they ,true story that is
bluewhiteandred wrote:but like harry did with your spending the rest of the time regretting it and administration and relegations .harry is now starting at qpr what he did at you .and you only stayed 7 years not 13 premier league years .harry stiil needs 6 wins we only need 3 .and hes got villa qpr and wigan .there still go down .there only living on fernandes money to players on 400.000 a month already 90 million in debt .only get 18.000 .qpr fans will find out later .this will be harrys last job .non league after that either you or pool town
Bigrich1980 wrote:You are well run yes but Harry redknapp takes risks if he succeeds QPR may stay in premier and win some thing at a later date saints play safe and dont win anything and get relegated anyway as no high value or class players signed .
This is good news and it shows how well we are run as a club as QPR have announced this week their debt has risen to £89M can you say Pompey if they go down. I feel a couple of big signings in the summer, coupled with all the high earning rubbish (De Ridder, Du Prado, Fox, Hammond, Barnard, Forte etc) being sold i think our club will be in a nice financial position. COYR 3 points tomorrow - staying in the prem is imperative to keeping the finances the way they are.
st1halo
says...
12:29am Sat 9 Mar 13
bluewhiteandred wrote:He certainly took risks with your club .. a look where that got you!
Bigrich1980 wrote:You are well run yes but Harry redknapp takes risks if he succeeds QPR may stay in premier and win some thing at a later date saints play safe and dont win anything and get relegated anyway as no high value or class players signed .
This is good news and it shows how well we are run as a club as QPR have announced this week their debt has risen to £89M can you say Pompey if they go down. I feel a couple of big signings in the summer, coupled with all the high earning rubbish (De Ridder, Du Prado, Fox, Hammond, Barnard, Forte etc) being sold i think our club will be in a nice financial position. COYR 3 points tomorrow - staying in the prem is imperative to keeping the finances the way they are.
It's a bit like poker ... you went all in on a bluff and got cleaned out!
Were still in the game!
STID
Stroppy_gramps
says...
8:02am Sat 9 Mar 13
bluewhiteandred wrote:We hear you bumpin' your fishy gums but you aren't saying much at all because you haven't got anything to say.
Bigrich1980 wrote:You are well run yes but Harry redknapp takes risks if he succeeds QPR may stay in premier and win some thing at a later date saints play safe and dont win anything and get relegated anyway as no high value or class players signed .
This is good news and it shows how well we are run as a club as QPR have announced this week their debt has risen to £89M can you say Pompey if they go down. I feel a couple of big signings in the summer, coupled with all the high earning rubbish (De Ridder, Du Prado, Fox, Hammond, Barnard, Forte etc) being sold i think our club will be in a nice financial position. COYR 3 points tomorrow - staying in the prem is imperative to keeping the finances the way they are.
back to where you belong bottom feeder. We'll worry about the Premiership you worry about the Dog & Duck Sunday league or wherever it is you'll end up
OSPREYSAINT
says...
8:14am Sat 9 Mar 13
F Fan wrote:... and now some are staying away because they simply cannot afford it, that isn't completely the Clubs fault, I would rather not bring Politics into the argument, but much of the backbone support of any Club, not just Saints, are the less wealthy, working class types, who have seen their disposable income eroded, they have to prioritise their funds, do they eat, or go without, just to watch their beloved football team? There is difference in making a protest move, we were succesful over Lowe, I still kept going, just voicing a threat rather than carrying it out at the time. I am not sure about the corner section issue, a lot would prefer a different arrangement to what is in place at the moment, but I don't see the numbers dropping over that. The gates at Nottarf have fallen because of the lack of success and the threat of extinction, doesn't say that it couldn't turn around if things work out. Decent fans down there, feel cheated and through no fault of their own, have seen their Club destroyed by unscrupulous owners, these same fans, blinded by the initial success, became too blinkered to realise what was happening. Some of these were the same ones that were gloating when we were in trouble, so they can hardly expect us to have any sympathy, even if we do recognise what is going on. Selective recollection will not overide what is happening now and history is only good for learning lessons.
St.Yorkie wrote:Recall a few years ago you were staying away because of Lowe, and then because they didn't open the corner section at the Northam end of the Itchen and now .............
The club might be making more money but fans like me are stopping away because of the hike in prices.
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!
OSPREYSAINT
says...
2:52pm Sat 9 Mar 13
saintlysoul wrote:Good call ss, hope you are not putting yourself on the line for our benefit.
warrens 76 wrote:Team v Norwich
Cat amongst pigeons time..
I do not think we will win at Norwich, we can play sublime football yet as the season has progressed we cannot keep a clean sheet and we do not take our chances...this is now endemic.
What is concerning is that we know we are going to usually concede two often more to counter this we have to be scoring three or often four to guarantee the win...
At the time of greatest pressure our defenders must suddenly learn not to switch off and make stupid mistakes...i do not see that happening....
...J Rod and Ramirez becoming top class premier strikers for the remainder of the season is highly unlikely..midfielder
s other than Spider coming up with goals ..don't think so..
I feel that if we cannot win when we play well we are in deep trouble if performances continue to slide...Newcastle and QPR were not clever.....
..solutions on a postcard..
Boruc, Yoshida, Fonte, Hoovield, Shaw, Spider, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana, Lambert, Rodriguez.
Puncheon overlooked!!!!
St.Yorkie says...
8:44am Fri 8 Mar 13
I will always be a fan but I'm not boasting about being a supporter. Let the season ticket holders wave their tickets!
I still want to know why in Germany fans cab buy a season ticket for the same price as a game at The Emirates? Something wrong somewhere!!