Historic landmark to become strip club (From Andover Advertiser)

Block41row0sfc wrote:
Men have needs. Women need work.

jade25 wrote:
What a shame this lovely historic building is being turnt into something for naked women!! I wonder what it was used for when first built, I'm sure it wasnt a lap dancing club!

Block41row0sfc wrote:
Men have needs. Women need work.

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Torchie1 wrote:

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Women don't seem to be such shrinking violets when groups like The Chippendales perform in front of packed houses.

solomum wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Women don't seem to be such shrinking violets when groups like The Chippendales perform in front of packed houses.

Not quite in the same league as a lapdancing club though is it. With the chippendales you can browse the menu but not sample it. Lapdancing is a bit more close and personal.

jade25 wrote:
'Southy' - A Harbour House could be used for anything!

kingnotail wrote:
Once again Southampton outdoes the rest of the country in terms of sheer downright tackiness.

cliffwalker wrote:
It's an outrage that this building is being used for this purpose. It was bad enough that it was used for gambling but this is plumbing the depths. Surely there are other less iconic places that could host a sexual entertainment venue.

localnews wrote:

solomum wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Women don't seem to be such shrinking violets when groups like The Chippendales perform in front of packed houses.

Not quite in the same league as a lapdancing club though is it. With the chippendales you can browse the menu but not sample it. Lapdancing is a bit more close and personal.

Rubbish !!!! Women in packs are like dogs on heat with male strippers

Block41row0sfc wrote:

kingnotail wrote:
Once again Southampton outdoes the rest of the country in terms of sheer downright tackiness.

Have you never been to blackpool

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
This cultural mix of historic building and strip club certainly won't help Southampton get the title of " city of culture ".

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
This cultural mix of historic building and strip club certainly won't help Southampton get the title of " city of culture ".

Scott_OOOSH wrote:
What's the problem?! It won't look any different from the outside, so it will still look 'beautiful'!
You don't have to go inside!
And surely this is better than the space just staying empty and being wasted?

kingnotail wrote:

Block41row0sfc wrote:

kingnotail wrote:
Once again Southampton outdoes the rest of the country in terms of sheer downright tackiness.

Have you never been to blackpool

Yep. At least there's actually stuff to do. And a beach. Not as sh1t as Southampton.

solomum wrote:

localnews wrote:

solomum wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Women don't seem to be such shrinking violets when groups like The Chippendales perform in front of packed houses.

Not quite in the same league as a lapdancing club though is it. With the chippendales you can browse the menu but not sample it. Lapdancing is a bit more close and personal.

Rubbish !!!! Women in packs are like dogs on heat with male strippers

Speaks volumes about the kind of women that you know then. :-)

Linesman wrote:
This is where Royston Smith should have sited the Maritime Museum.

The building has a maritime history, and is adjacent to the docks, quite convenient for passengers coming ashore from visiting cruise ships.

My betting is that it would have cost considerably less than what he landed the city with.

AlanM1952 wrote:
Hopefully Red Funnel will put on some extra Red Jets to get us to and from Cowes for this new attraction. Maybe they will offer a combined ticket as it's right next to their terminal.

AlanM1952 wrote:
Hopefully Red Funnel will put on some extra Red Jets to get us to and from Cowes for this new attraction. Maybe they will offer a combined ticket as it's right next to their terminal.

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
This cultural mix of historic building and strip club certainly won't help Southampton get the title of " city of culture ".

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

03alpe01 wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

This is the article about the Snow Dome being stopped by the Council:

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/news/9894292.

City_snow_dome_schem

e_scrapped/

The old Tory Council really wanted to progress with it, and Developers were lined up and alot of Developers had expressed interest in developing it.
It was the newly-elected Labour Council who put a stop to it, and an Ice Rink, despite there being ridiculousy heavy demand for an Ice Rink in Southampton. This Labour Council have since become hell-bent on bringing this along with the Supercasino to the Waterfront.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

This is the article about the Snow Dome being stopped by the Council:

http://www.dailyecho


.co.uk/news/9894292.


City_snow_dome_schem


e_scrapped/

The old Tory Council really wanted to progress with it, and Developers were lined up and alot of Developers had expressed interest in developing it.
It was the newly-elected Labour Council who put a stop to it, and an Ice Rink, despite there being ridiculousy heavy demand for an Ice Rink in Southampton. This Labour Council have since become hell-bent on bringing this along with the Supercasino to the Waterfront.

Thats the spin of the Daily Echo for you.
.
The developer did pull out with insufficient funding and an unsure market for it.
.

AdrianSmith wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

This is the article about the Snow Dome being stopped by the Council:

http://www.dailyecho



.co.uk/news/9894292.



City_snow_dome_schem



e_scrapped/

The old Tory Council really wanted to progress with it, and Developers were lined up and alot of Developers had expressed interest in developing it.
It was the newly-elected Labour Council who put a stop to it, and an Ice Rink, despite there being ridiculousy heavy demand for an Ice Rink in Southampton. This Labour Council have since become hell-bent on bringing this along with the Supercasino to the Waterfront.

Thats the spin of the Daily Echo for you.
.
The developer did pull out with insufficient funding and an unsure market for it.
.

I suggest you actually read the article. Richard Williams says himself that they “...were fairly clear to officers earlier on that we didn’t want a snow dome so there’s not going to be a snow dome,” he said.

“What we want to do is develop marine activities on the waterfront."

It's hardly spin if he comes out himself and unequivocally says the new council didn't want it.

localnews wrote:

solomum wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Women don't seem to be such shrinking violets when groups like The Chippendales perform in front of packed houses.

Not quite in the same league as a lapdancing club though is it. With the chippendales you can browse the menu but not sample it. Lapdancing is a bit more close and personal.

Rubbish !!!! Women in packs are like dogs on heat with male strippers

phil maccavity wrote:

AdrianSmith wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

This is the article about the Snow Dome being stopped by the Council:

http://www.dailyecho




.co.uk/news/9894292.




City_snow_dome_schem




e_scrapped/

The old Tory Council really wanted to progress with it, and Developers were lined up and alot of Developers had expressed interest in developing it.
It was the newly-elected Labour Council who put a stop to it, and an Ice Rink, despite there being ridiculousy heavy demand for an Ice Rink in Southampton. This Labour Council have since become hell-bent on bringing this along with the Supercasino to the Waterfront.

Thats the spin of the Daily Echo for you.
.
The developer did pull out with insufficient funding and an unsure market for it.
.

I suggest you actually read the article. Richard Williams says himself that they “...were fairly clear to officers earlier on that we didn’t want a snow dome so there’s not going to be a snow dome,” he said.

“What we want to do is develop marine activities on the waterfront."

It's hardly spin if he comes out himself and unequivocally says the new council didn't want it.

Interesting and differing views.
The Council official (ie not a politician)I spoke to had been involved in the proposed scheme for some time and had high hopes it would proceed.
Not sure if the developers were the same people who operate Milton Keynes snowdome but the facility would have been similar.
Last time I spoke to him he certainly said it was a funding issue that prevented progression

Stillness wrote:

localnews wrote:

solomum wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

Women don't seem to be such shrinking violets when groups like The Chippendales perform in front of packed houses.

Not quite in the same league as a lapdancing club though is it. With the chippendales you can browse the menu but not sample it. Lapdancing is a bit more close and personal.

Rubbish !!!! Women in packs are like dogs on heat with male strippers

That would be **** then ;-)

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

phil maccavity wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Sorry forgot to ask how this can go on the Waterfront, without being water themed? The Council's reason for stopping the Snow Dome (which would have been fantastic for everyone and not just males over 18) was that it wasn't water themed and they wanted water based things on the Waterfront. And yet they want to put a strip club and a supercasino on there?

Would be interested to know where you got this info from?
I asked a Council Planning officer about the Snow Dome development and was told the Council were keen to progress it but the Developer was unable to fund it.

minnie64 wrote:

Block41row0sfc wrote:
Men have needs. Women need work.

That made me chuckle

phil maccavity wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:
This cultural mix of historic building and strip club certainly won't help Southampton get the title of " city of culture ".

Proud
I certainly dont think the planned use of one of Sotons few iconic buildings is a good one.
However perhaps the powers to be are looking to follow Liverpool's cultural lead.
According to the Liverpool Echo there are NINE Lap Dancing or similar clubs in the central part of the city plus the Council is fielding an application from Spearmint Rhino for a TENTH!!
Maybe this mix helped Liverpool in its successful bid for European City of Culture

skin2000 wrote:
The strip club, Super Casino, Large Biomass plant plus all the the stunning features we have got already, I think the 2017 City of Culture is in the bag.

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

phil maccavity wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I am sure The Echo article reports Cllr Williams correctly.
All I can say is that the feedback I had from the Council officer was that there was funding issues (I think the set up cost for the private investor was approx £50m and access to this level of capital was beginning to become a problem)
Interestingly some of the tenants in the adjacent, Council owned, industrial units had been given notice to quit ahead of the proposed Snowdome development.
The Council (under the previous admin I think) had produced grand plans for 'gentrification' of the Itchen Waterfront from Itchen Bridge to the old TVS site.
btw I doubt very much if too many, if any, cruise passengers would be interested in the proposed facility.

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

kingnotail wrote:

skin2000 wrote:
The strip club, Super Casino, Large Biomass plant plus all the the stunning features we have got already, I think the 2017 City of Culture is in the bag.

The funniest thing is going to be when Southampton and Portsmouth are beaten by somewhere like Hull, or Dundee or the rather non-descript 'East Kent'..

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

Maybe they'll opt for Liverpool instead?

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

Maybe they'll opt for Liverpool instead?

At least the view as they embark / disembark here in Liverpool is a " World Heritage Site ".

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

Large concert venue, yes. Ice rink, no.

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

Large concert venue, yes. Ice rink, no.

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

Large concert venue, yes. Ice rink, no.

Why no Ice Rink? Have you ever been to one? I like many other people on here thought no towards an ice rink. Then one Saturday I went to a Basingstoke Bison Ice Hockey match and changed my opinion instantly. Everyone I know whose been to an ice hockey match has loved it and it inspires people to take up skating. And ice rinks arent just used for hockey, there also used for figure skating as well as ice dance shows and just general skating. Ice Hockey matches are also well attended with attendances often topping 1,000 each week. Rinks are actually better off than people down here give them credit for

03alpe01 wrote:
I sincerely hope that this alternative development that Williams is seeking instead of the Snow Dome includes some highly overpriced "luxury apartments" where the illegal immigrant is King and can live in there rent free instead of being deported. Sarcasm aside, loosehead is right. This Williams idiot running the Council is a total hypocrite and clearly doesn't want there to be a variety of leisure options avilable within the City. I'd love for someone to come on here and explain how a strip club and a supercasino (neither of which we need and not many people want) are water based activity and the snow dome isn't?

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

Large concert venue, yes. Ice rink, no.

Why no Ice Rink? Have you ever been to one? I like many other people on here thought no towards an ice rink. Then one Saturday I went to a Basingstoke Bison Ice Hockey match and changed my opinion instantly. Everyone I know whose been to an ice hockey match has loved it and it inspires people to take up skating. And ice rinks arent just used for hockey, there also used for figure skating as well as ice dance shows and just general skating. Ice Hockey matches are also well attended with attendances often topping 1,000 each week. Rinks are actually better off than people down here give them credit for

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

Large concert venue, yes. Ice rink, no.

Why no Ice Rink? Have you ever been to one? I like many other people on here thought no towards an ice rink. Then one Saturday I went to a Basingstoke Bison Ice Hockey match and changed my opinion instantly. Everyone I know whose been to an ice hockey match has loved it and it inspires people to take up skating. And ice rinks arent just used for hockey, there also used for figure skating as well as ice dance shows and just general skating. Ice Hockey matches are also well attended with attendances often topping 1,000 each week. Rinks are actually better off than people down here give them credit for

What about a large arena concert venue that can double as an ice rink? Such things exist. Not saying their shouldn't be a stand-alone ice rink, it just shouldn't be high priority.

kingnotail wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Well technically, if there looking to employ people in Southampton, do they have any choice BUT to employ Eastern Europeans? I think not.
These people running Southampton really have some original ideas. I know, let's have a 3rd strip club, a 3rd casino and a 4th cinema. We clearly don't have enough of those around here! Oooh, and while we're at it, let's add another million and one restaurants! That'll give the place some variety!

Quantity does not mean quality. There are a handful of decent restaurants in Southampton. Everything else is sh1t.

Granted there are some decent restaurants. There is also a decent cinema in Odeon. Granted Cineworld is sh1t, but the upside to that is that its cheap. There is also a decent cinema in Vue, albeit that's in Eastleigh, it is easily accessible to Southampton folk. Two decent cinemas nearby is enough for most people. Hate to say it, but what this city really needs is an ice rink, as it would be beneficial to nearly everyone and would attract people from all over the South. A large concert venue similar to the BIC in Bournemouth wouldn't go a miss either

Large concert venue, yes. Ice rink, no.

Why no Ice Rink? Have you ever been to one? I like many other people on here thought no towards an ice rink. Then one Saturday I went to a Basingstoke Bison Ice Hockey match and changed my opinion instantly. Everyone I know whose been to an ice hockey match has loved it and it inspires people to take up skating. And ice rinks arent just used for hockey, there also used for figure skating as well as ice dance shows and just general skating. Ice Hockey matches are also well attended with attendances often topping 1,000 each week. Rinks are actually better off than people down here give them credit for

What about a large arena concert venue that can double as an ice rink? Such things exist. Not saying their shouldn't be a stand-alone ice rink, it just shouldn't be high priority.

*there

03alpe01 wrote:
Now, how do we go about telling this deeply moronic Council that that's what we need and not all this crap?

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
Now, how do we go about telling this deeply moronic Council that that's what we need and not all this crap?

Rally all your art , music , history , civic and education establishments , organisations and societies together.
Get the population of Southampton behind the bid and petition your councillors and city council that you expect better from them.

Use the local press to put pressure on the council, write letters of concern regarding issues you hold dear, keep up a relentless campaign until your council see's the error of it's ways.
Go to your elected councillors surgeries and leave them in no doubt about your lack of faith in the way the city is run.
Nothing will change unless you the population of Southampton do something about it.

thinklikealocal wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
I sincerely hope that this alternative development that Williams is seeking instead of the Snow Dome includes some highly overpriced "luxury apartments" where the illegal immigrant is King and can live in there rent free instead of being deported. Sarcasm aside, loosehead is right. This Williams idiot running the Council is a total hypocrite and clearly doesn't want there to be a variety of leisure options avilable within the City. I'd love for someone to come on here and explain how a strip club and a supercasino (neither of which we need and not many people want) are water based activity and the snow dome isn't?

The Council own the land where the Snow Dome was to be cited, that gives them a choice about who they sell the land to for what purpose. They do not own this building and have merely granted planning permission, one assumes, in line with planning law/policy. They are not in a position to demand that private landlords lease properties on the waterside to businesses for 'water based' activities only.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
I sincerely hope that this alternative development that Williams is seeking instead of the Snow Dome includes some highly overpriced "luxury apartments" where the illegal immigrant is King and can live in there rent free instead of being deported. Sarcasm aside, loosehead is right. This Williams idiot running the Council is a total hypocrite and clearly doesn't want there to be a variety of leisure options avilable within the City. I'd love for someone to come on here and explain how a strip club and a supercasino (neither of which we need and not many people want) are water based activity and the snow dome isn't?

The Council own the land where the Snow Dome was to be cited, that gives them a choice about who they sell the land to for what purpose. They do not own this building and have merely granted planning permission, one assumes, in line with planning law/policy. They are not in a position to demand that private landlords lease properties on the waterside to businesses for 'water based' activities only.

but they can deny planning permission or a license to operate this club can't they?
or how did they oppose that club in Woolston?
I know there would have been a brand new rowing club a Snow dome inclusive of an Ice rink so please explain to me how these were not water based enough?
A top class restaurant or as I've suggested move the Information bureau into it with a gift shop & Bureau De change for cruise ships?

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

Maybe they'll opt for Liverpool instead?

At least the view as they embark / disembark here in Liverpool is a " World Heritage Site ".

phil maccavity wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

Maybe they'll opt for Liverpool instead?

At least the view as they embark / disembark here in Liverpool is a " World Heritage Site ".

But for how much longer?
The World Heritage accolade is under threat from the proposed Liverpool Waters deveopment scheme.

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
I sincerely hope that this alternative development that Williams is seeking instead of the Snow Dome includes some highly overpriced "luxury apartments" where the illegal immigrant is King and can live in there rent free instead of being deported. Sarcasm aside, loosehead is right. This Williams idiot running the Council is a total hypocrite and clearly doesn't want there to be a variety of leisure options avilable within the City. I'd love for someone to come on here and explain how a strip club and a supercasino (neither of which we need and not many people want) are water based activity and the snow dome isn't?

The Council own the land where the Snow Dome was to be cited, that gives them a choice about who they sell the land to for what purpose. They do not own this building and have merely granted planning permission, one assumes, in line with planning law/policy. They are not in a position to demand that private landlords lease properties on the waterside to businesses for 'water based' activities only.

but they can deny planning permission or a license to operate this club can't they?
or how did they oppose that club in Woolston?
I know there would have been a brand new rowing club a Snow dome inclusive of an Ice rink so please explain to me how these were not water based enough?
A top class restaurant or as I've suggested move the Information bureau into it with a gift shop & Bureau De change for cruise ships?

Ask the Council. I really would love to see their response, I really would. Everyone would have loved to have seen the Snow Dome in Southampton. As for the planning permission/licence thing I'm not sure because the building already has a licence to serve alcohol, and the article says that the only organisation who could object was Hampshire Constabulary, who didn't. Did the club in Woolston already have a licence to sell alcohol?
Still, I'm sure the Council will come up with good reasons for why the Snow Dome inc Ice Rink wasn't "water-based" enough, and a block of "seaview" flats is perfectly water based when the time comes.
On another topic, how on Earth they think the Bargate Centre can carry on as retail is completely beyond me...

loosehead wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:
I sincerely hope that this alternative development that Williams is seeking instead of the Snow Dome includes some highly overpriced "luxury apartments" where the illegal immigrant is King and can live in there rent free instead of being deported. Sarcasm aside, loosehead is right. This Williams idiot running the Council is a total hypocrite and clearly doesn't want there to be a variety of leisure options avilable within the City. I'd love for someone to come on here and explain how a strip club and a supercasino (neither of which we need and not many people want) are water based activity and the snow dome isn't?

The Council own the land where the Snow Dome was to be cited, that gives them a choice about who they sell the land to for what purpose. They do not own this building and have merely granted planning permission, one assumes, in line with planning law/policy. They are not in a position to demand that private landlords lease properties on the waterside to businesses for 'water based' activities only.

but they can deny planning permission or a license to operate this club can't they?
or how did they oppose that club in Woolston?
I know there would have been a brand new rowing club a Snow dome inclusive of an Ice rink so please explain to me how these were not water based enough?
A top class restaurant or as I've suggested move the Information bureau into it with a gift shop & Bureau De change for cruise ships?

Ask the Council. I really would love to see their response, I really would. Everyone would have loved to have seen the Snow Dome in Southampton. As for the planning permission/licence thing I'm not sure because the building already has a licence to serve alcohol, and the article says that the only organisation who could object was Hampshire Constabulary, who didn't. Did the club in Woolston already have a licence to sell alcohol?
Still, I'm sure the Council will come up with good reasons for why the Snow Dome inc Ice Rink wasn't "water-based" enough, and a block of "seaview" flats is perfectly water based when the time comes.
On another topic, how on Earth they think the Bargate Centre can carry on as retail is completely beyond me...

Will it? with the idea to build walls off of the Bargate demolish those shops build a few shops but also build more flats will they leave the Bargate centre as it is?

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

Proud from LIVERPOOL wrote:

kingnotail wrote:

03alpe01 wrote:

loosehead wrote:

phil maccavity wrote:

RealTalkSouthampton wrote:
If you could take all the hot air and negativity on most of these forums. Our city would be Super Rich.

People moaned about west quay being built,ikea(wrong location) and so on. Any aspiring City weather in the UK or around the world has to have a mix of activities,venues and so on.

But why don't the no people on these forums stop talking and start producing. Put your money where your mouth is, Buy/lease rent the sites and put the businesses their that you claim would be better. That way you would be proactive and then these forums would be very quiet cos we don't really do praise that well!

I have a degree of sympathy with this post.
I have lived in a few places in the UK and visited many more.
This area ticks a lot of boxes for me but appreciate it falls short of what others want.
Presumably these naysayers have a choice to move away rather than moan and groan about how bad things are here.
One of the major drawbacks for development in this region has been the lack of EC and UK Grant aid which has been concentrated north of the M4 corridor.
As I has been pointed out before if Soton had received a fraction of the £2 billion given to Merseyside in the past 20 years then perhaps there would be a more reasonable comparison between the two cities.

Phil why no response to the post where I showed you proof of what Williams said?
I know both rowing clubs were up for the new facilities under the proposed snow dome & they are water based aren't they?
Here's an idea for the Town Quay let or ask a rowing club to use it as a clubhouse & offices & allow them to build a boathouse with a slip into the river as the old Sea Cadets had/did?
this would indeed be a water based activity wouldn't it?
I'm in no way against strip clubs but this seems to be totally in the wrong place unless Williams thinks passengers off of the cruise ships want this type of entertainment?

I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of families when they get off the Ferry/Cruise Ship and see a strip club and a large supercasino and nothing leisurewise for families to do

Maybe they'll opt for Liverpool instead?

At least the view as they embark / disembark here in Liverpool is a " World Heritage Site ".

But for how much longer?
The World Heritage accolade is under threat from the proposed Liverpool Waters deveopment scheme.

The Liverpool Waters scheme starts north of Princes dock and should have no adverse effect on the vista of the Pier Head area.
Liverpool like any other city has evolved with the passing of time and I personally think that re-development of those dock area's which are deemed derelict must take place subject to strict conditions.
The " World Heritage Site " consists of 6 historic area's of the city, so I think with reasonable planning and thought any impact will be negligible.

kiddynamite wrote:
Rowing Club! Really?! I love all your comments about how the city doesnt want this club, More like YOU dont want it because your sooo stuck up and rigid you could never entertain having a 'laugh'could you. Maybe you should go along when it opens and you will see its not seedy or dirty but its actually a nice place to have a drink and see beautiful ladies that want to be looked at! Get a life, give the world a break and it might not be as bad as you think! Or move to Winchester with the rest of the up their own!!!!!!!!!

solomum wrote:
If this so called business man wants to run this kind of venue, then he should move to Amsterdam or Paris where his venture would fit in. More a sleaze ball than a business man.

loosehead wrote:

kiddynamite wrote:
Rowing Club! Really?! I love all your comments about how the city doesnt want this club, More like YOU dont want it because your sooo stuck up and rigid you could never entertain having a 'laugh'could you. Maybe you should go along when it opens and you will see its not seedy or dirty but its actually a nice place to have a drink and see beautiful ladies that want to be looked at! Get a life, give the world a break and it might not be as bad as you think! Or move to Winchester with the rest of the up their own!!!!!!!!!

Been to many strip clubs abroad so I'm not against them just think this is the wrong building & wrong place for this strip club