Last ditch attempt to get Sir Ben Ainslie to base America's Cup bid in Southampton

Last ditch attempt to get Sir Ben to base America's Cup bid in Southampton

Last ditch attempt to get Sir Ben to base America's Cup in Southampton

The plans for Ben Ainslie's America's Cup base in Portsmouth

How Centenary Quay will look when finished

First published in Hampshire Business
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CIVIC chiefs have launched a lastditch bid to bring Sir Ben Ainslie and the promise of 1,000 jobs to Southampton.

The Daily Echo can reveal that council leaders have written to the Olympic sailing legend about his plans for an America’s Cup base following opposition to the proposals in Portsmouth.

He had chosen Portsmouth as the site for the new multi-million pound facility, and the plans are set to go before councillors in the city on Wednesday.

But large numbers of residents near the potential site in Old Portsmouth have objected to the plans, with a public meeting set to take place at the city cathedral tonight.

And with the former Vosper Thornycroft site at Centenary Quay, Woolston already having planning permission for a boat-building facility, civic chiefs in Southampton have contacted Sir Ben to remind him the city already has everything he needs to get to work.

As previously reported, the legendary sailor wants to build the base to train Britain’s team to win the sailing event in 2017 which theUKhas not won in its 150-year history.

Andover Advertiser: Plans for the development in Portsmouth

He has said the base could create up to 1,000 jobs and inject £44m of investment into the local economy.

Sir Ben said he had chosen Portsmouth due to its “maritime heritage” and the footfall generated by the ferry port.

But many residents living near the proposed site have objected to the plans, saying they feel the plans have been railroaded through.

Seventy-one objections have been made to the planning application for the site, while a public meeting set to be held on the proposals last Monday had to be postponed as there were too many people who wanted to attend.

Councillors on Portsmouth City Council’s planning committee are being recommended to approve the plans, and the new council leader, Donna Jones, has said that “everyone’s views” must be taken into consideration before a decision is made.

And if Sir Ben is unable to set up the base in Portsmouth, he has said he would consider the site in Woolston, next to the emerging Centenary Quay housing development.

Southampton’s Labour council leader Simon Letts, said he had written to Sir Ben to remind him that the site in Woolston is ready and waiting for use should his plans in Portsmouth fall through.

Andover Advertiser:

Cllr Letts said: “First of all it’s really good news that Sir Ben is to launch the first serious British America’s Cup bid for some years and we stand ready to support the bid in any way we can.

“We have a site available at Woolston with planning permission, cleared and ready for use which Sir Ben and his team would be welcome to develop at their convenience.

“This is a bid of national, if not international importance, and if the site in Portsmouth is not deliverable then it’s important this project remains in the Solent rather than going abroad.”

Itchen MP John Denham said: “We always hoped that it would come to Southampton, and if people in Portsmouth don’t like the idea then I’m absolutely certain that people in Southampton would be over the moon to have the America’s Cup base in the city.

“It would be fantastic for the period of construction and the trials, and this is the prime site on the south coast for ship and boat building, so there would be a legacy long after the America’s Cup.”

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9:55am Mon 16 Jun 14

Sholingista says...

As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton.

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.

We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.
As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton. Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth. Sholingista
  • Score: -27

10:11am Mon 16 Jun 14

elvisimo says...

Sholingista wrote:
As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton.

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.

We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.
facts ? figures?
[quote][p][bold]Sholingista[/bold] wrote: As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton. Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.[/p][/quote]facts ? figures? elvisimo
  • Score: 13

10:20am Mon 16 Jun 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Sholingista wrote:
As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton.

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.

We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.
I think you'll find the Olympic Park in London is now a completely rejuvenated area that now has a lot of business moving there from Canary Wharf!

The site Southampton is proposing is vacant so it would be ideal if it could be used rather than leaving it empty. I'm sure with all the investment in the Centenary Quay once the America's cup is over they will be able to draw a lot of interest in it...particularly if we win the cup!
[quote][p][bold]Sholingista[/bold] wrote: As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton. Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the Olympic Park in London is now a completely rejuvenated area that now has a lot of business moving there from Canary Wharf! The site Southampton is proposing is vacant so it would be ideal if it could be used rather than leaving it empty. I'm sure with all the investment in the Centenary Quay once the America's cup is over they will be able to draw a lot of interest in it...particularly if we win the cup! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 26

11:29am Mon 16 Jun 14

saints4eva12 says...

bring it to the isle of wight if poopey don't want them
bring it to the isle of wight if poopey don't want them saints4eva12
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Mon 16 Jun 14

southy says...

elvisimo wrote:
Sholingista wrote:
As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton.

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.

We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.
facts ? figures?
The fact if you did your research is that the America
Cup moves around the world and go's place to place and only stay in one area if the returning winning team retains the cup, Jobs tied to the America cup world wide is very low in numbers, it as been won more times by the American's than the total of other nations winning it in total, the winning team picks the location of the next America Cup final.
So he right about any jobs that will be created are short term jobs, most of the jobs will be any where around the world as a new boat will be built accorrden to the new spec that the team will make.
You quoted Wemouth all jobs and items relating to the Olympic's have now gone as they where only temperly put in place so they could removed right way after the Olympic's the idea was in the first place was not to keep any thing there, As for Olympic park a lot of it as been removed all ready and the jobs it created have gone also as for new jobs replacing is very few, its to expensive for business to move into
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sholingista[/bold] wrote: As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton. Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.[/p][/quote]facts ? figures?[/p][/quote]The fact if you did your research is that the America Cup moves around the world and go's place to place and only stay in one area if the returning winning team retains the cup, Jobs tied to the America cup world wide is very low in numbers, it as been won more times by the American's than the total of other nations winning it in total, the winning team picks the location of the next America Cup final. So he right about any jobs that will be created are short term jobs, most of the jobs will be any where around the world as a new boat will be built accorrden to the new spec that the team will make. You quoted Wemouth all jobs and items relating to the Olympic's have now gone as they where only temperly put in place so they could removed right way after the Olympic's the idea was in the first place was not to keep any thing there, As for Olympic park a lot of it as been removed all ready and the jobs it created have gone also as for new jobs replacing is very few, its to expensive for business to move into southy
  • Score: -8

12:41pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Southampton boy says...

Why is everyone against this get the building buil let him do what he wants and then ith the expertise someone maytep in and take it over to build ship/boats again n Southampton
Why is everyone against this get the building buil let him do what he wants and then ith the expertise someone maytep in and take it over to build ship/boats again n Southampton Southampton boy
  • Score: 13

1:59pm Mon 16 Jun 14

elvisimo says...

southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Sholingista wrote:
As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton.

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.

We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.
facts ? figures?
The fact if you did your research is that the America
Cup moves around the world and go's place to place and only stay in one area if the returning winning team retains the cup, Jobs tied to the America cup world wide is very low in numbers, it as been won more times by the American's than the total of other nations winning it in total, the winning team picks the location of the next America Cup final.
So he right about any jobs that will be created are short term jobs, most of the jobs will be any where around the world as a new boat will be built accorrden to the new spec that the team will make.
You quoted Wemouth all jobs and items relating to the Olympic's have now gone as they where only temperly put in place so they could removed right way after the Olympic's the idea was in the first place was not to keep any thing there, As for Olympic park a lot of it as been removed all ready and the jobs it created have gone also as for new jobs replacing is very few, its to expensive for business to move into
spelling, grammar, replying to the wrong post!

See me

2/10
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sholingista[/bold] wrote: As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton. Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.[/p][/quote]facts ? figures?[/p][/quote]The fact if you did your research is that the America Cup moves around the world and go's place to place and only stay in one area if the returning winning team retains the cup, Jobs tied to the America cup world wide is very low in numbers, it as been won more times by the American's than the total of other nations winning it in total, the winning team picks the location of the next America Cup final. So he right about any jobs that will be created are short term jobs, most of the jobs will be any where around the world as a new boat will be built accorrden to the new spec that the team will make. You quoted Wemouth all jobs and items relating to the Olympic's have now gone as they where only temperly put in place so they could removed right way after the Olympic's the idea was in the first place was not to keep any thing there, As for Olympic park a lot of it as been removed all ready and the jobs it created have gone also as for new jobs replacing is very few, its to expensive for business to move into[/p][/quote]spelling, grammar, replying to the wrong post! See me 2/10 elvisimo
  • Score: 6

2:10pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Linesman says...

elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Sholingista wrote:
As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton.

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.

We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.
facts ? figures?
The fact if you did your research is that the America
Cup moves around the world and go's place to place and only stay in one area if the returning winning team retains the cup, Jobs tied to the America cup world wide is very low in numbers, it as been won more times by the American's than the total of other nations winning it in total, the winning team picks the location of the next America Cup final.
So he right about any jobs that will be created are short term jobs, most of the jobs will be any where around the world as a new boat will be built accorrden to the new spec that the team will make.
You quoted Wemouth all jobs and items relating to the Olympic's have now gone as they where only temperly put in place so they could removed right way after the Olympic's the idea was in the first place was not to keep any thing there, As for Olympic park a lot of it as been removed all ready and the jobs it created have gone also as for new jobs replacing is very few, its to expensive for business to move into
spelling, grammar, replying to the wrong post!

See me

2/10
Why?

Are you trying to arrange a date with southy?

Whatever turns you on!
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sholingista[/bold] wrote: As a Southampton resident & taxpayer, I would NOT be "over the moon" for the Americas cup to come to Southampton. Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. We pay for their fun and are left with a building we don't need and no where near the promised jobs. Just look at the Olympic Park in London for the evidence or down at Weymouth.[/p][/quote]facts ? figures?[/p][/quote]The fact if you did your research is that the America Cup moves around the world and go's place to place and only stay in one area if the returning winning team retains the cup, Jobs tied to the America cup world wide is very low in numbers, it as been won more times by the American's than the total of other nations winning it in total, the winning team picks the location of the next America Cup final. So he right about any jobs that will be created are short term jobs, most of the jobs will be any where around the world as a new boat will be built accorrden to the new spec that the team will make. You quoted Wemouth all jobs and items relating to the Olympic's have now gone as they where only temperly put in place so they could removed right way after the Olympic's the idea was in the first place was not to keep any thing there, As for Olympic park a lot of it as been removed all ready and the jobs it created have gone also as for new jobs replacing is very few, its to expensive for business to move into[/p][/quote]spelling, grammar, replying to the wrong post! See me 2/10[/p][/quote]Why? Are you trying to arrange a date with southy? Whatever turns you on! Linesman
  • Score: 0

2:18pm Mon 16 Jun 14

bobby the crane says...

Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun.
Your missing something here cocker & that is ''SIR'' he is an ambassador in the sport' most of you WANAKERS are only good at spouting your mouths off for the sake of it, as you have nothing better to do all day, go & wash your wife's dirty knickers
Ainslie's projections of new jobs & investment are wildly optimistic and probably not sustainable either. Appears these millionaires backing this rich-mans sport want to get public funding for their day in the sun. Your missing something here cocker & that is ''SIR'' he is an ambassador in the sport' most of you WANAKERS are only good at spouting your mouths off for the sake of it, as you have nothing better to do all day, go & wash your wife's dirty knickers bobby the crane
  • Score: -4

2:30pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Tallship says...

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i Tallship
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Tallship says...

So, Portsmouth residents don't want a world class sailing team bssed in thirr city. Southampton would be a great alternative
So, Portsmouth residents don't want a world class sailing team bssed in thirr city. Southampton would be a great alternative Tallship
  • Score: 8

3:27pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Smartiepants says...

Lets have one thing in this city that might attract people other than West flaming Quay and the Titanic museum. I do fear that they are too late with this bid, they should have been on this months and months ago.
Lets have one thing in this city that might attract people other than West flaming Quay and the Titanic museum. I do fear that they are too late with this bid, they should have been on this months and months ago. Smartiepants
  • Score: 2

4:18pm Mon 16 Jun 14

loosehead says...

This is something to congratulate Labour for I hope they get him to come here & I feel this would be a great asset to the city so I hope we get it.
This is something to congratulate Labour for I hope they get him to come here & I feel this would be a great asset to the city so I hope we get it. loosehead
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Mon 16 Jun 14

tootle says...

Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.
Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term. tootle
  • Score: 3

5:37pm Mon 16 Jun 14

southy says...

tootle wrote:
Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.
Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.[/p][/quote]Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession. southy
  • Score: -2

5:39pm Mon 16 Jun 14

southy says...

Here some thing we all should be worried about. On wedesday (I think) in Government will be the topic of public land up for sale, this will include not just Forestes but also Common land and parks and any other type of open public land to be sold to privated developement.
Here some thing we all should be worried about. On wedesday (I think) in Government will be the topic of public land up for sale, this will include not just Forestes but also Common land and parks and any other type of open public land to be sold to privated developement. southy
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Wakey Wakey Dudes its in Weymouth!
Wakey Wakey Dudes its in Weymouth! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -1

6:10pm Mon 16 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

This would be good for Southampton. Such a shame it will (probably) be going to Portsmouth.
This would be good for Southampton. Such a shame it will (probably) be going to Portsmouth. 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

9:14am Tue 17 Jun 14

tootle says...

southy wrote:
tootle wrote:
Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.
Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.
Southy - the green shoots are becoming visible. We are not out of the woods yet but things are becoming a little easier on the business front and this will feed down to personal finances eventually with luck. If this is short term then having an established business on site will encourage future use when the Americas cup is over. This is an opportunity Portsmouth would be idiotic to turn down but if they do..................
...................
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.[/p][/quote]Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.[/p][/quote]Southy - the green shoots are becoming visible. We are not out of the woods yet but things are becoming a little easier on the business front and this will feed down to personal finances eventually with luck. If this is short term then having an established business on site will encourage future use when the Americas cup is over. This is an opportunity Portsmouth would be idiotic to turn down but if they do.................. ................... tootle
  • Score: 1

10:31am Tue 17 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
tootle wrote:
Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.
Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.
In your little gloomy environment nothing will be rosy but out here in the real world, the widely accepted definition of recession shows that it's disappearing in to history. I expect you are cheered by the ONS figures for May showing that inflation has fallen to the lowest level in over four years, or have they once again got everything wrong as you don't agree with any positive news from the ONS.....as usual?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.[/p][/quote]Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.[/p][/quote]In your little gloomy environment nothing will be rosy but out here in the real world, the widely accepted definition of recession shows that it's disappearing in to history. I expect you are cheered by the ONS figures for May showing that inflation has fallen to the lowest level in over four years, or have they once again got everything wrong as you don't agree with any positive news from the ONS.....as usual? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Tue 17 Jun 14

southy says...

tootle wrote:
southy wrote:
tootle wrote:
Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.
Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.
Southy - the green shoots are becoming visible. We are not out of the woods yet but things are becoming a little easier on the business front and this will feed down to personal finances eventually with luck. If this is short term then having an established business on site will encourage future use when the Americas cup is over. This is an opportunity Portsmouth would be idiotic to turn down but if they do..................

...................
the same green shoots that showed in the 90's, short live it never reaches to where it peak up at the last time round each peak is smaller than the last one, for 35 years now the economy as been in a slow decline.
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.[/p][/quote]Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.[/p][/quote]Southy - the green shoots are becoming visible. We are not out of the woods yet but things are becoming a little easier on the business front and this will feed down to personal finances eventually with luck. If this is short term then having an established business on site will encourage future use when the Americas cup is over. This is an opportunity Portsmouth would be idiotic to turn down but if they do.................. ...................[/p][/quote]the same green shoots that showed in the 90's, short live it never reaches to where it peak up at the last time round each peak is smaller than the last one, for 35 years now the economy as been in a slow decline. southy
  • Score: -2

4:15pm Tue 17 Jun 14

WoolstonSean says...

Southy I wish you were in decline!
Southy I wish you were in decline! WoolstonSean
  • Score: 1

8:37pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
tootle wrote:
southy wrote:
tootle wrote:
Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.
Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.
Southy - the green shoots are becoming visible. We are not out of the woods yet but things are becoming a little easier on the business front and this will feed down to personal finances eventually with luck. If this is short term then having an established business on site will encourage future use when the Americas cup is over. This is an opportunity Portsmouth would be idiotic to turn down but if they do..................


...................
the same green shoots that showed in the 90's, short live it never reaches to where it peak up at the last time round each peak is smaller than the last one, for 35 years now the economy as been in a slow decline.
The economy is in such decline that the Sunday Times Rich List shows more millionaires and billionaires that ever before have made their home in the UK with more billionaires per head of population than any other country. Yet another of your gloomy views of life dispelled. The seventies have gone, the unions aren't going to kick off and the revolution won't happen. The Arab Spring has been a disaster for the Middle East and North Africa, and the upset in Greece has fizzled out with setting Europe ablaze in socialist fervour. Just accept that the government plans are slowly working even though they didn't ask for your advice.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Why not. We are beginning to come out of recession. If this is short term it may be long term enough to promote it's use for the industry in the long term.[/p][/quote]Its a myth that we are coming out of a recession.[/p][/quote]Southy - the green shoots are becoming visible. We are not out of the woods yet but things are becoming a little easier on the business front and this will feed down to personal finances eventually with luck. If this is short term then having an established business on site will encourage future use when the Americas cup is over. This is an opportunity Portsmouth would be idiotic to turn down but if they do.................. ...................[/p][/quote]the same green shoots that showed in the 90's, short live it never reaches to where it peak up at the last time round each peak is smaller than the last one, for 35 years now the economy as been in a slow decline.[/p][/quote]The economy is in such decline that the Sunday Times Rich List shows more millionaires and billionaires that ever before have made their home in the UK with more billionaires per head of population than any other country. Yet another of your gloomy views of life dispelled. The seventies have gone, the unions aren't going to kick off and the revolution won't happen. The Arab Spring has been a disaster for the Middle East and North Africa, and the upset in Greece has fizzled out with setting Europe ablaze in socialist fervour. Just accept that the government plans are slowly working even though they didn't ask for your advice. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

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