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Lorry bursts into flames near Fawley oil refinery entrance
11:00am Tuesday 24th November 2009
OFFICE workers were evacuated today after a fire involving a lorry loaded with explosive gas.
Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service set up a 100-metre exclusion zone around the lorry amid fears of a blast.
The vehicle was carrying a one-tonne tank that was half full of liquid propane gas.
It was in Cadland Road, Hardley, close to the main entrance to Fawley oil refinery, when the blaze broke out just after 9am.
Firefighters from Beaulieu, Hardley, Hythe and Totton were joined by colleagues from the St Mary's fire station in Southampton.
They extinguished the flames but sprayed the tank with water to cool it down and prevent an explosion.
A fire service spokesman said workers in a group of portable buildings near the lorry were evacuated as a precaution.
Tanker drivers heading for the refinery were directed to another entrance at the opposite end of the huge petro-chemical complex.
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Jammy Donut, Brook says...
10:38am Tue 24 Nov 09
goard, Southampton says...
10:54am Tue 24 Nov 09
goard
Linesman, Fareham says...
11:00am Tue 24 Nov 09
If you are really interested to know the exact location, why not nip out and buy a local map with road names on it. Little red books, that cost about £1.50!
As the location is given as Hardley, not Fawley, I would imagine that there is only one entrance to the refinery at that location!
Sometimes journalists credit their readers with a bit of intelligence, which appears to be misplaced in this instance.
Lorry or van! The brain is supposed to be the most efficient computer! How do you re-boot a Jammy Donut?
southy, redbridge says...
11:31am Tue 24 Nov 09
andy if you travel down to the hardly roundabout take the turning off that go's into the refinery. you can drive down there, has you get close to the refinery gates there a sharp left bend to the right of there you have the filling stations for tankers. you are allowed to go down this road its a public highway to the gates ( one is the main entrance for the work force ( if you follow the bend ) on this bend there is a junction. take this junction and it will lead you down to the marshes, and the rail gates and the public footpath ealing to calshot),
Jammy Donut, Brook says...
11:44am Tue 24 Nov 09
A van is a van and unlikely to be a lorry carrying a one ton tank.
Its this sloppy reporting which just adds to the dumbing down of peoples intelligence
southy, redbridge says...
12:18pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Dan Kerins, Southampton says...
12:28pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Jammy Donut wrote:The original story was updated with the latest information available, which made it clear it was a lorry rather than a van. However article's secondary headline was not updated at the same time - an oversight - although the main headline was.
How about just using common sense logic and intelligence when journalists report a story verbatim from a "source"
A van is a van and unlikely to be a lorry carrying a one ton tank.
Its this sloppy reporting which just adds to the dumbing down of peoples intelligence
Sulaiman Al Fahim, UAE says...
12:33pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Jammy Donut wrote:I hardly think a minor confusion (now explained as a simple mistake) over the difference between a van and a lorry is worthy of such over reaction and villification.
How about just using common sense logic and intelligence when journalists report a story verbatim from a "source" A van is a van and unlikely to be a lorry carrying a one ton tank. Its this sloppy reporting which just adds to the dumbing down of peoples intelligence
Why are some commenters on this website so nasty and over-react to everything? It is such a shame.
Does it matter if it is a van or a lorry? The salient point is that a vehicle loaded with gas caught fire near the oil re
Andy Locks Heath, says...
12:45pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Linesman wrote:When I posted my note the headline said the incident occurred "at" the refinery. This caused the subeditor to modify the headline to "near". The journalism was tidied up, my post is now redundant but not when I posted it.
Could it possibly be that the 'journalist' is just reporting what they have been told?
If you are really interested to know the exact location, why not nip out and buy a local map with road names on it. Little red books, that cost about £1.50!
As the location is given as Hardley, not Fawley, I would imagine that there is only one entrance to the refinery at that location!
Sometimes journalists credit their readers with a bit of intelligence, which appears to be misplaced in this instance.
Lorry or van! The brain is supposed to be the most efficient computer! How do you re-boot a Jammy Donut?
Jammy Donut, Brook says...
2:10pm Tue 24 Nov 09
What
Where
When
Who
Why
espanuel, Murcia says...
2:10pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Linesman, Fareham says...
2:16pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Andy Locks Heath wrote:So they up-date it as clearer information comes in!
Linesman wrote: Could it possibly be that the 'journalist' is just reporting what they have been told? If you are really interested to know the exact location, why not nip out and buy a local map with road names on it. Little red books, that cost about £1.50! As the location is given as Hardley, not Fawley, I would imagine that there is only one entrance to the refinery at that location! Sometimes journalists credit their readers with a bit of intelligence, which appears to be misplaced in this instance. Lorry or van! The brain is supposed to be the most efficient computer! How do you re-boot a Jammy Donut?When I posted my note the headline said the incident occurred "at" the refinery. This caused the subeditor to modify the headline to "near". The journalism was tidied up, my post is now redundant but not when I posted it.
I doubt very much that the sub-editor took action just because of your comment, but ameded the article as more precise information was received.
Andy Locks Heath, says...
3:19pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Linesman wrote:You'd like to think so but it happens too often. It was a journalistic error, not lack of information.The story and the headline contradicted each other, otherwise I would not have posted.
Andy Locks Heath wrote:So they up-date it as clearer information comes in!
Linesman wrote: Could it possibly be that the 'journalist' is just reporting what they have been told? If you are really interested to know the exact location, why not nip out and buy a local map with road names on it. Little red books, that cost about £1.50! As the location is given as Hardley, not Fawley, I would imagine that there is only one entrance to the refinery at that location! Sometimes journalists credit their readers with a bit of intelligence, which appears to be misplaced in this instance. Lorry or van! The brain is supposed to be the most efficient computer! How do you re-boot a Jammy Donut?When I posted my note the headline said the incident occurred "at" the refinery. This caused the subeditor to modify the headline to "near". The journalism was tidied up, my post is now redundant but not when I posted it.
I doubt very much that the sub-editor took action just because of your comment, but ameded the article as more precise information was received.
NigelBurt, Fawley says...
4:16pm Tue 24 Nov 09
carlyb, hythe says...
5:24pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Brite Spark, Stubbington says...
6:45pm Tue 24 Nov 09
espanuel, Murcia says...
7:51pm Tue 24 Nov 09
arthur boutfaith, says...
8:26pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Jammy Donut wrote:how?
The 5 basic W's for reporting are:
What
Where
When
Who
Why
arthur boutfaith, says...
8:27pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Jammy Donut wrote:how?
The 5 basic W's for reporting are:
What
Where
When
Who
Why
I'm starting to sound like a red indian.
Brite Spark, Stubbington says...
8:56pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu, Hampshire says...
8:58pm Tue 24 Nov 09
espanuel wrote:I think he works on the law of averages that one day he'll be right. If ever the lunatics take over, we'll both be headed for the gulags!!!!!
Southy, got your facts WRONG AGAIN.
southy, redbridge says...
9:39pm Tue 24 Nov 09
espanuel wrote:cadland road runs from hardley round about and runs towards the foreshore at the bottom of the road there is a rail line with a public crossing, that joins a public foot path thats been there well probley dates back before the romans. this public foot path use to run from ealing all the way down the river to calshot. it was there way before any refinery was there. section of this footpath is closed off at spots like the power station at marchwood and the militiary camp and in the area of the jetty at fawley. closed off using the excuse of public safty. if you join the public footpath at swan lake at the bottom of cadland road and head up river it will bring you to the scouts hut on the south side of hythe (shore road). the tanker filling station is on new road whitch comes off cadland road.
Southy I think you should take a trip down there some of your directions are wrong and hardly is spelt Hardley. and the filling stations for tankers is Exxonmobil Hythe Bulk Plant. And it is the Solent way path that goes from Gosport down towards Christchurch and does not go along foreshore of the refinery it diverts up through Hardley.
the solent path dont go from gosport to christchurch unless you can walk on water ( gosport is on the east of southampton water, while christchurch is on the west side)
arthur boutfaith, says...
9:49pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Brite Spark wrote:Even sadder, I look like him!
Sadly you also sound like Fred Dineage!
southy, redbridge says...
9:54pm Tue 24 Nov 09
NigelBurt wrote:i did wonder about about that diversion, because that would mean that the traffic would of at used c avenue and go though the main gates to get round to the pumping station.
This is Nigel from Esso's Fawley petrochemical site. I would like to clarify several points. The fire at the Calor gas site in Hardley did not affect or involve the Fawley refinery in any way. Refinery traffic was not diverted to another gate and no refinery personnel were evacuated. Also, to make clear, the roads approaching all of the industrial sites on Charleston Road and the Fawley site are not public roads. Only the first 100m from the Hardley roundabout is public.
a point lo its the first 100m off the cadland road that is public, whitch should take you up to about the car park just out side the gates that lead into the refinery.
moomoomama, Holbury says...
10:15pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Andy Locks Heath, says...
11:06pm Tue 24 Nov 09
southy, redbridge says...
11:30pm Tue 24 Nov 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu, Hampshire says...
11:33pm Tue 24 Nov 09
southy wrote:I'm probably wasting my time explaining this but from New Road onwards, the land is private and under the control of ExxonMobil. To try and make it easier for you to understand, think about how far the pickets were allowed to go during the miners strike and the fuel protests. If Cadland Road had been a public road as you seem to think, the Police wouldn't have been able to stop them from going down there. Just listen to people who actually know the facts instead of making it all up as you go along.
NigelBurt wrote:i did wonder about about that diversion, because that would mean that the traffic would of at used c avenue and go though the main gates to get round to the pumping station.
This is Nigel from Esso's Fawley petrochemical site. I would like to clarify several points. The fire at the Calor gas site in Hardley did not affect or involve the Fawley refinery in any way. Refinery traffic was not diverted to another gate and no refinery personnel were evacuated. Also, to make clear, the roads approaching all of the industrial sites on Charleston Road and the Fawley site are not public roads. Only the first 100m from the Hardley roundabout is public.
a point lo its the first 100m off the cadland road that is public, whitch should take you up to about the car park just out side the gates that lead into the refinery.
southy, redbridge says...
12:42am Wed 25 Nov 09
and during the refinery stike in the 80's the pickets started at the car park and went all the way back to the bend. with more pickets at the round about, plus there was pickets at fawley village end of the refinery.
if you like i meet you and take you for a walk the whole length of that public foot path. we park up at the ealing church end in the car park there. and walk the whole length. but will need all day to walk it. and you will need to leave the path at first marchwood power station then rejoin it at cracknore hard for a few hundred meters then walk round marchwood military camp rejoin the path by the stream on the edge of the reclaim land at veals farm and from there you walk all the way though hythe till you come to swan lake where to have to leave again and walk up cadlands road to go round the refinery. and rejoin it at ashlett creek where you can walk back up stream walking on the path on top off the tidal mill ponds till about 300 meter from the jetty where the fence is,( ether side of the jetty is a fence about 300 meters away from the jetty and there is a sign on the fences thats say no access to the public)then double back and walk the path whitch will take you in frount of fawley power station all the way to calshot beach.
the truth of it all the public has the right, but esso dont want people walking this part of the public foot path, nore do they want people to have access and will detur people the right.
just like the no fishing signs that use to be on the bridges at redbridge. untill some pointed out to NFDC that those signs was illegal. and the same sort of thing is happening here. esso never taken people to court over it because they dont have a case, and all they can do is try and put people off from going there. and give out false information.
all that esso can do is ask for your name and address question you even hold you in an office but the moment that you check out has being clean or ok they must return you back to where they pick up from and from there on wards all they can do is ask your name and address and that is it unless you prove to be a terrorist or some thing of that sort of nature. the police will not get involvcd, i know two people this has happen to. and they still go down there now an again, cadland road is a public road and is why its never been closed off. if it was't public it would off been closed when they first built the refinery and never open again. and also why there is a crossing on the rail lines at the bottom of cadlands road.
southy, redbridge says...
12:44am Wed 25 Nov 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu, Hampshire says...
9:14am Wed 25 Nov 09
southy, redbridge says...
10:22am Wed 25 Nov 09
Derek of Dibden Purlieu wrote:well derek just admit your wrong like many a times that you are,
I thought it would be pointless but at least I tried.
tell you what go and find the sign where it says no entry to the public. and if you do find one check to see if at the bottom of the sign. if it say's by order of !!!!!!. public roads that have been closed off to the public for good must have a sign saying so, and it must have a by order at the bottom, so you can question its legal stance, and also there would be 3 public notices publish. again for you to be able to question its legal stance. this is a requirement by statue law. but you will not find any signs or public notices. this is how the no fishing signs at redbridge where taken down. the NFDC broke the law putting them up in the 70's and got find by a court in doing so. and ordered to take them down. and this is why you will not find any signs saying no entry to the public on cadland road.
Derek of Dibden Purlieu, Hampshire says...
11:54am Wed 25 Nov 09
To keep it very simple your house is owned by the council but rented by you. Your garden path although running across private land is a public right of way to me if I want to knock on your door. If I commit a crime or an act of nuisance, you may apply to the courts to stop my access (trespass) or the police can move me on. No signs are required for any of this, it doesn't involve the NFDC or fishing in the 1970s.
If you can understand this then think of Cadland Road as far as New Road as the pavement outside your house. Once past New Road, we are on your garden path which can be accessed quite legally by the public but over which you have certain rights as the owner/tennant. The pickets were the equivelant of me committing an act of nuisance in your garden and restrained to the section of Cadland Road before New Road which is like the public pavement outside your house. I can't make it any clearer than this and if you choose to think otherwise it won't be on my conscience.
southy, redbridge says...
1:18pm Wed 25 Nov 09
cadland road before the refinery was built was access to the water front with a public crossing of the rail line that still there, and on the other side is a public footpath, esso has never ever bought cadland road off any body, but when the refinery was built they temp closed the road for a few years while building of the refinery took place for the reason of public safty. but it was reopen when most of the work was done.
it takes 3 public notices in news papers plus a notice along the road saying that the road will be closed down, there was none and nor will you find any in archives because there was none, cadland road has been there a very long time a lot longer than refinery. the road did not belong to lord drummond, so he could not of sold it or lease it. you can not sale or lease what is not yours. and if you care to look at maps from 200 years ago you will see this road on the map, and the public foot path.
now listen very carfully, the statue law
1/ requires esso to own the road whitch they dont.
2/ it also requires esso to place public notices up saying that the road is closed to the public full time. whitch they have not. and never have done ( because they would need to record it )
3/ it also require esso to put up signs saying no access to the public and it must have at the bottom by-order by who ever, whitch there is none.
the only public notices you will find are the ones that are work taken place in side the refinery boundrys and the one that was printed in the late 1940's and again in the early 1950's and if you read the 50's one, in there its says it will close down cadland road temporary for the duration of the building of the refinery, and the road will be reopen to the public at a later date no longer than 6 mths. and this was the only time cadland road was closed of to the public. apart from the 5 days in the 70's when they put a pipe line under the road and this was in a public notice in the echo paper. has was the one in the mid 80's when they laid down the pipe line to woverhampton. this to was in the echo in the form of a public notice. and in that notice it do say the road will be closed to public.
if the public did not have right of access they would be no need to say it, it would just say that they would be carry out work and what type of work.
just because esso say they own cadland road, it is only a deterrent to try and keep the public away. and if you like to go and see old man methane who lives in fawley village, he will tell you the same. he makes a point of walking down cadland road once a year.
do you know a mr johnston who use works in the refinery. he retired now but he was there from the first day when they started to build refinery. and he will tell you the same.
and if esso is telling you that they own cadland road all they are doing is illegal land claiming. this is why you will find no signs up. they are trying to gab land that do not belong to them.
southy, redbridge says...
1:30pm Wed 25 Nov 09
the reason why the pickets was at new road in the 80's was to picket the tanker drivers and was all. pickets was also at the two main gates going into the refinery and also down at the entrance to the chemical plant at the bottom at cadlands road.
there was some where between 600 to 900 pickets on duty at the refinery during the 1980's strike. whitch only about 80 to 100 at the location of new road junction off cadland road. another 100 to 120 at the chemical entrance in cadland road where i was. the biggest bulk of pickets was at the car park and some more at the fawley village entrance
espanuel, Murcia says...
6:48pm Thu 26 Nov 09
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Andy Locks Heath, says...
10:18am Tue 24 Nov 09