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RIP Peter Frankpitt

Ed wrote:

lorraine wrote: Totaly agree Rock & Roll. This Government stinks. they have done nothing but take from the poor and elderly. I am one of those that has to pay double tax on my wages since taking away the lower tax bracket. RIP Peter you are in a better place x

Why use the tragic death of an elderly person as an excuse to bemoan how much tax you pay?

Maybe she relates to a system, where she will be worked and taxed heavily until she retires, then cast off and feel a burden, with little or no return from the money she has been taxed.

This is exactly what being a worker, entering retirement is in this country.

You work, they take.
You work harder, They take more.
You retire, you lose.

I think every hard working person can relate to this, and probably everyone knows of a hard working friend or relative that has given blood and guts for a Queen, country and government that does not care.

What contrasts in the weeks news. This poor man felt he was becoming too much of a burden, yet that scumbag Glitter/Gadd thinks the world still owes him. Where's the justice?

Rock and roll wrote:

Ed wrote:

lorraine wrote: Totaly agree Rock & Roll. This Government stinks. they have done nothing but take from the poor and elderly. I am one of those that has to pay double tax on my wages since taking away the lower tax bracket. RIP Peter you are in a better place x

Why use the tragic death of an elderly person as an excuse to bemoan how much tax you pay?

Maybe she relates to a system, where she will be worked and taxed heavily until she retires, then cast off and feel a burden, with little or no return from the money she has been taxed. This is exactly what being a worker, entering retirement is in this country. You work, they take. You work harder, They take more. You retire, you lose. I think every hard working person can relate to this, and probably everyone knows of a hard working friend or relative that has given blood and guts for a Queen, country and government that does not care.

I have to disagree, as unpopular as it may be.

Yes, we do pay a high level of taxes in this country, but in return we get significant benefits such as the NHS, State benefits, State pension etc. Now I know most people will bemoan "the state of the NHS", that "State pensions are pitiful", that "State benefits are being abused" etc etc, and to a large extent I agree. However, at least we have such benefits and systems in place.

Lorraine - the government have changed the personal allowances to take account of the abolition of the 10% starting rate of income tax. You are not being 'double-taxed'. Tosh, I'm afraid.

I don't believe that we have an absolute right to be financially supported by the State i.e. funded by the taxpayer during our workng lives or in retirement. The State system (NHS aside) is there to provide support for the needy , not the workshy. It was never meant to be the sole means of income in retirement, hence why the govt has been encouraging people to save for their own retirement via ISAs, pensions etc. Quite frankly if you can't be bothered to help yourselves, why should the rest of us bail you out?

On the topic in question, the report states that the gentleman "didn't want to become a burden on others". It doesn't suggest that he had a grievance with the government or an issue with money. Don't turn this sorry tale into a political argument, when it isn't one.

Sentient wrote:

Rock and roll wrote:

Ed wrote:

lorraine wrote: Totaly agree Rock & Roll. This Government stinks. they have done nothing but take from the poor and elderly. I am one of those that has to pay double tax on my wages since taking away the lower tax bracket. RIP Peter you are in a better place x

Why use the tragic death of an elderly person as an excuse to bemoan how much tax you pay?

Maybe she relates to a system, where she will be worked and taxed heavily until she retires, then cast off and feel a burden, with little or no return from the money she has been taxed. This is exactly what being a worker, entering retirement is in this country. You work, they take. You work harder, They take more. You retire, you lose. I think every hard working person can relate to this, and probably everyone knows of a hard working friend or relative that has given blood and guts for a Queen, country and government that does not care.

I have to disagree, as unpopular as it may be. Yes, we do pay a high level of taxes in this country, but in return we get significant benefits such as the NHS, State benefits, State pension etc. Now I know most people will bemoan "the state of the NHS", that "State pensions are pitiful", that "State benefits are being abused" etc etc, and to a large extent I agree. However, at least we have such benefits and systems in place. Lorraine - the government have changed the personal allowances to take account of the abolition of the 10% starting rate of income tax. You are not being 'double-taxed'. Tosh, I'm afraid. I don't believe that we have an absolute right to be financially supported by the State i.e. funded by the taxpayer during our workng lives or in retirement. The State system (NHS aside) is there to provide support for the needy , not the workshy. It was never meant to be the sole means of income in retirement, hence why the govt has been encouraging people to save for their own retirement via ISAs, pensions etc. Quite frankly if you can't be bothered to help yourselves, why should the rest of us bail you out? On the topic in question, the report states that the gentleman "didn't want to become a burden on others". It doesn't suggest that he had a grievance with the government or an issue with money. Don't turn this sorry tale into a political argument, when it isn't one.

Sorry sentinent, you are right, it didn't suggest that he had a grievance with the government or an issue with money, on the other hand, it did say "had not wanted to become a burden to others".

So either your side, or myself and Lorraines side is only speculative, which would make either side of the debate worthless without the full details.

That said, this debate could have fallen on either ground, which from my point of view was taken as a reflection of my personal belief in which society treats the elderly. Your ground has just as much weight, but from a poor mans belief he was a burden on his family.

"Others" surely could be taken either way.

This is sooo sad, unfortunatly many elderly people do feel that way, my nan felt that she was a burden but no matter how many times we told her she wasn't i don't think it made any difference.
rest in peace.

This man did the right thing - he loved his family, he knew he was on a downward slope - he knew if he went into a home there would be an extremely unhappy occasion - its alright if you the pensioner can walk, but you just try moving a very very painful person from bed to chair - you would never want that sort of pain. Elderly people have to weigh up their quality of life - if they have nothing, so what would you do?

Clair