Caravan owner in Attwood Close, Kings Furlong, at the centre of wind chime row

Andover Advertiser: Roger Sellers and his wind chimes Roger Sellers and his wind chimes

A CARAVAN owner has vowed to defy calls for him to take down his wind chimes.

Retired maintenance man Roger Sellers is refusing a borough council request for him to take down the wooden ornament that hangs outside his house at the Attwood Close mobile home site in Kings Furlong, Basingstoke.

The 62-year-old bought his home in 2009 and lives there by himself, but the entire site is owned and managed by Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council.

Mr Sellers said he put the wind chimes up as he likes the sound they make and they help him to relax.

But he said he has now received a letter from the borough council, asking him to take them down after some of his neighbours complained about the noise.

Defiant Mr Sellers said: “I am not taking them down. I’m not breaking the law and the council will have to take me to court.

“The council is bending the rules for itself. They are letting neighbours put up fences over the legal limit but they seem to be picking on me.

“We have got a churchyard next to us with graves with ornaments. Are the council saying those should be taken down as well?”

The letter from the borough council also asks Mr Sellers to take down a CCTV camera that he said he installed because of fears of crime at the mobile home site. He said another wind chime he had put up had been vandalised by someone earlier this year.

But some residents at the mobile home park told The Gazette that the wind chimes are too noisy.

One man, who did not want to be identified, said: “You can really hear it when the wind gets up. It is annoying when you are trying to sleep at night.”

A woman, who also did not want to be identified, said: “Everyone has had enough of it.”

Kevin Jaquest, head of resources at Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council, said: “Attwood Close Mobile Home Park is owned and managed by the council, and the individual homes on the site are owned by their occupiers.

“The council works with the residents to ensure both the upkeep of the site and compliance with the occupiers’ terms of agreement.

“The matter concerning Mr Sellers is now a legal matter and therefore it would not be appropriate to comment on this at this time.”

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8:12am Sun 5 May 13

Best_Name_Ever says...

What an idiot. Comparing noisy wind chimes to grave ornaments is just ridiculous and shows petty this man is. Why can't people just have some consideration for their neighbours? Of course this man would go to court over this. Speaks volumes of his character.
What an idiot. Comparing noisy wind chimes to grave ornaments is just ridiculous and shows petty this man is. Why can't people just have some consideration for their neighbours? Of course this man would go to court over this. Speaks volumes of his character. Best_Name_Ever
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10:02am Sun 5 May 13

Marina Morris says...

What an arrogant fool.
What an arrogant fool. Marina Morris
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11:15am Mon 6 May 13

Folkestone Saint says...

Is this selfish person prepared to lose his home to cover the legal cost's just to prove a point, and how can you compare a higher fence for privacy over a camera to spy on his neighbours and a noisey ornament.
Is this selfish person prepared to lose his home to cover the legal cost's just to prove a point, and how can you compare a higher fence for privacy over a camera to spy on his neighbours and a noisey ornament. Folkestone Saint
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12:16pm Fri 10 May 13

Upontheroof says...

In the grand scheme of things what harm is he actually doing? I can't imagine that it's loud enough for noise pollution and no more louder than the traffic on the dual carriageway nearby.

I can't see where it states he has a camera to spy on his neighbours. Maybe to survey his property where someone has previously damaged his chimes from before. Can't blame someone for doing that ......

His comparisons are menially daft
In the grand scheme of things what harm is he actually doing? I can't imagine that it's loud enough for noise pollution and no more louder than the traffic on the dual carriageway nearby. I can't see where it states he has a camera to spy on his neighbours. Maybe to survey his property where someone has previously damaged his chimes from before. Can't blame someone for doing that ...... His comparisons are menially daft Upontheroof
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2:56pm Fri 10 May 13

Sam_Walker123456 says...

The council cannot comment because this is now a legal matter.
If this has gone legal then it probably means one of three things:
1 The tenants have signed an agreement which prohibits the erection of wind chimes and/or cctv cameras
2 The cctv is pointing at a neighbour's home and is intruding on their privacy
3 There is a noise nuisance
The first two are simple and straightforward and Roger Sellers would be foolish indeed to try and fight either of these in court.
The third is a little more difficult because noise nuisance can be very subjective - one person's chill out music is another person's noise pollution. It is easy to measure the level of noise but the quality can be a contributory factor to nuisance. So a steady stream of noisy traffic might be less disturbing than the occasional vehicle - especially at night. Wind chimes can be very soothing but if they chime at irregular intervals during the night they could be very disturbing for light sleepers.
Whatever the grounds for the legal action Roger Sellers is wrong to fight - he should put his relationship with his neighbours above his own rights, although it might be a bit late to build fences with his neighbours (they have already built them too high).
The council cannot comment because this is now a legal matter. If this has gone legal then it probably means one of three things: 1 The tenants have signed an agreement which prohibits the erection of wind chimes and/or cctv cameras 2 The cctv is pointing at a neighbour's home and is intruding on their privacy 3 There is a noise nuisance The first two are simple and straightforward and Roger Sellers would be foolish indeed to try and fight either of these in court. The third is a little more difficult because noise nuisance can be very subjective - one person's chill out music is another person's noise pollution. It is easy to measure the level of noise but the quality can be a contributory factor to nuisance. So a steady stream of noisy traffic might be less disturbing than the occasional vehicle - especially at night. Wind chimes can be very soothing but if they chime at irregular intervals during the night they could be very disturbing for light sleepers. Whatever the grounds for the legal action Roger Sellers is wrong to fight - he should put his relationship with his neighbours above his own rights, although it might be a bit late to build fences with his neighbours (they have already built them too high). Sam_Walker123456
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8:13pm Fri 10 May 13

Marina Morris says...

It's bridges - you build bridges. Fences are for sitting on.
It's bridges - you build bridges. Fences are for sitting on. Marina Morris
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1:23pm Mon 13 May 13

Reocoll says...

Might i past comment on Marina Morris's coments to the above artical. First this is more a park home site with very few caravans on it. Mr Sellers lives in a park home not a caravan. Now lets start with? has Marina Morris taken the time to visit this site and walk around it? no i didn't think so. Has she read the site rules book? no again or she would see that there is no rule with regards the hanging of wind chimes ( also note that these windchimes had been hung up on this parkhome since January 2009 ) yet no complaint was laid till November 2012 WHY?. There is a noise clause here as with all sites, streets,towns,citys and that could be meant for many things on this site, such has the coming and goings of several caravans or the cars/vans which are some 40 at least counting the 24 that are parked day and night in the main car park, they also allow scraped display trailer and commercial vehicles. People going to work also at all hours of the day and night/ also to pubs and coming home a bit over merry, taxis, take-aways being delived, banging doors. The police are constantly visting this site with a large amount of trouble and break-ins. Attwood close lies between the main church yard for Basingstoke & Deane and the surounding area on one side and an allottments on the other. The site rules are broken on a daily basis by one and all who live here and i have taken the time to read the rule book and walk the site. We have hedges which are allowed to grow out of control against site rules to some 8/10 feet in height, boats moored on pitches, gardens in a mess, ornaments fixed up above the height of the front council fences which again is not allowed, overgrown trees and lets not forget fences which are built without council premission well over height allowed by fence and hedge law and even against Basingstoke Council's own rules and yet they do nothing. Dogs allowed to bark day and night and use the small green area outside the Attwood Close site has a toilet. The churchyard is full of ornaments which blow on a windy day/night and make a noise so will these be banned because the council will have hell of a job taking these people to court.
CCTV cameras are allowed on any property as long as they comply with the 2008 act has to they use and what there are or are not allowed to cover/view, also full premission was given at an AGM for the site by the council. And one last point Miss Morris you would have hell of a job sitting on an illegal 8 foot fence.
Might i past comment on Marina Morris's coments to the above artical. First this is more a park home site with very few caravans on it. Mr Sellers lives in a park home not a caravan. Now lets start with? has Marina Morris taken the time to visit this site and walk around it? no i didn't think so. Has she read the site rules book? no again or she would see that there is no rule with regards the hanging of wind chimes ( also note that these windchimes had been hung up on this parkhome since January 2009 ) yet no complaint was laid till November 2012 WHY?. There is a noise clause here as with all sites, streets,towns,citys and that could be meant for many things on this site, such has the coming and goings of several caravans or the cars/vans which are some 40 at least counting the 24 that are parked day and night in the main car park, they also allow scraped display trailer and commercial vehicles. People going to work also at all hours of the day and night/ also to pubs and coming home a bit over merry, taxis, take-aways being delived, banging doors. The police are constantly visting this site with a large amount of trouble and break-ins. Attwood close lies between the main church yard for Basingstoke & Deane and the surounding area on one side and an allottments on the other. The site rules are broken on a daily basis by one and all who live here and i have taken the time to read the rule book and walk the site. We have hedges which are allowed to grow out of control against site rules to some 8/10 feet in height, boats moored on pitches, gardens in a mess, ornaments fixed up above the height of the front council fences which again is not allowed, overgrown trees and lets not forget fences which are built without council premission well over height allowed by fence and hedge law and even against Basingstoke Council's own rules and yet they do nothing. Dogs allowed to bark day and night and use the small green area outside the Attwood Close site has a toilet. The churchyard is full of ornaments which blow on a windy day/night and make a noise so will these be banned because the council will have hell of a job taking these people to court. CCTV cameras are allowed on any property as long as they comply with the 2008 act has to they use and what there are or are not allowed to cover/view, also full premission was given at an AGM for the site by the council. And one last point Miss Morris you would have hell of a job sitting on an illegal 8 foot fence. Reocoll
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1:26pm Mon 13 May 13

Reocoll says...

Marina Morris wrote:
It's bridges - you build bridges. Fences are for sitting on.
Try reading my answer to you mail and then walk the site with i suggest rule book in hand.
[quote][p][bold]Marina Morris[/bold] wrote: It's bridges - you build bridges. Fences are for sitting on.[/p][/quote]Try reading my answer to you mail and then walk the site with i suggest rule book in hand. Reocoll
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12:52pm Tue 14 May 13

Best_Name_Ever says...

Reocoll. This sounds like tit for tat and a lot of bitterness.
Reocoll. This sounds like tit for tat and a lot of bitterness. Best_Name_Ever
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12:25pm Wed 22 May 13

laurence86 says...

Hmmm Neighbours who hate me with my wind chimes to sooth me or neighbours who like me but no wind chimes. I know which one I would choose.

A little respect for your neighbours can go a long way, especially if you live on a caravan site where everyone has thin walls. It seems a bit of a waste of tax payer’s money and our courts time to deal with such a trivial matter. It seems to me that they would be much better off if they could resolve this issue amongst themselves.

I wonder if the other residents politely asked him to remove them first of all, or were the council the first port of call. I also question if Roger couldn’t get the same relaxing noise from a CD. Either way you look at it there has been a fair bit of inconsideration for/by neighbours, which is sad because it’s not very easy to build a friendly community atmosphere on top of these sort of disagreements.
Hmmm Neighbours who hate me with my wind chimes to sooth me or neighbours who like me but no wind chimes. I know which one I would choose. A little respect for your neighbours can go a long way, especially if you live on a caravan site where everyone has thin walls. It seems a bit of a waste of tax payer’s money and our courts time to deal with such a trivial matter. It seems to me that they would be much better off if they could resolve this issue amongst themselves. I wonder if the other residents politely asked him to remove them first of all, or were the council the first port of call. I also question if Roger couldn’t get the same relaxing noise from a CD. Either way you look at it there has been a fair bit of inconsideration for/by neighbours, which is sad because it’s not very easy to build a friendly community atmosphere on top of these sort of disagreements. laurence86
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4:30pm Tue 28 May 13

ban-wind-chimes says...

i am a frequent visitor to attwood close and would like to say that the residents are very friendly. I have experienced the loudness of the original metal wind chimes and the noise in which this wind chime produced was not at an acceptable level day and night in windy conditions out-doing all external noise with no consideration for there neighbours who need to get up for work early. I also know that residents have tried to approach Mr. Sellers and his partner to discuss this as reasonble neighbours but were met with belligerence. More concerning is the cctv cameras over looking neighbours gardens invading their privacy; the residence have tried to comprimise by requesting Mr. Sellers lower his cctv camera so that they monitor his plot only but he has refused to do so to date. He choses to communicate his issues through written communication via the media rather than speaking to the neighbours direct.
i am a frequent visitor to attwood close and would like to say that the residents are very friendly. I have experienced the loudness of the original metal wind chimes and the noise in which this wind chime produced was not at an acceptable level day and night in windy conditions out-doing all external noise with no consideration for there neighbours who need to get up for work early. I also know that residents have tried to approach Mr. Sellers and his partner to discuss this as reasonble neighbours but were met with belligerence. More concerning is the cctv cameras over looking neighbours gardens invading their privacy; the residence have tried to comprimise by requesting Mr. Sellers lower his cctv camera so that they monitor his plot only but he has refused to do so to date. He choses to communicate his issues through written communication via the media rather than speaking to the neighbours direct. ban-wind-chimes
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2:20pm Wed 29 May 13

Reocoll says...

Well well ban wind chimes you really are fool, if you had asked your friend to show you the site rule book you would have known that there are no rules regarding the wind chimes and has for Mr Sellers being spoken to by neighbours where did you get that load of lies from(Oops your so called friends or is it family). These wind chimes and others have been hanging in Mr Sellers garden since 2009 and if not earlier has the previous owner had some for many years hanging up and they were rusty. You say you know this site and therefore you must have walked it to have seen the wind chimes hanging else where on the site also and that is not counting the hundreds in the cemetery next door. So is it only mine making the noise you fool. As to the CCTV cameras they are allowed by law and have been checked by both the council and police Oops did you so call family who you refer to as friends forget to tell you that. At an agm meeting some three years ago the council gave full premision for them and that other properties at Attwood close have them and your so called friends should know that has every one on the site had a copy of the AGM minutes, but of course you know it all so why don't your friends go to the police if he is breaking the law. There are a lot of people on this site who are fed up with the likes of you and your friends /family hiding behind others and do not have the guts to do your own dirty work. Did this so called family forget to also tell you that Mr Sellers has a letter from the chief executive at the council saying that the wind chimes can stay. Well ban wind chimes i guess you had better go and mouth off to those poor people who have dozens if not hundreds of wind chimes in the cemetery next door and im quite sure that they make a lot more noise than just one metal wind/woodden chimes. So Mr know it all ban the wind chimes you are quite happy hide lets see if when the time comes you have the guts to put you face and name to what you said above and show up in court if your family/friends need it as you seen to know everything about this site. Also maybe you would like to approach the council and ask why others are allowed to break the site rules on a daily basis and nothing is done.
Well well ban wind chimes you really are fool, if you had asked your friend to show you the site rule book you would have known that there are no rules regarding the wind chimes and has for Mr Sellers being spoken to by neighbours where did you get that load of lies from(Oops your so called friends or is it family). These wind chimes and others have been hanging in Mr Sellers garden since 2009 and if not earlier has the previous owner had some for many years hanging up and they were rusty. You say you know this site and therefore you must have walked it to have seen the wind chimes hanging else where on the site also and that is not counting the hundreds in the cemetery next door. So is it only mine making the noise you fool. As to the CCTV cameras they are allowed by law and have been checked by both the council and police Oops did you so call family who you refer to as friends forget to tell you that. At an agm meeting some three years ago the council gave full premision for them and that other properties at Attwood close have them and your so called friends should know that has every one on the site had a copy of the AGM minutes, but of course you know it all so why don't your friends go to the police if he is breaking the law. There are a lot of people on this site who are fed up with the likes of you and your friends /family hiding behind others and do not have the guts to do your own dirty work. Did this so called family forget to also tell you that Mr Sellers has a letter from the chief executive at the council saying that the wind chimes can stay. Well ban wind chimes i guess you had better go and mouth off to those poor people who have dozens if not hundreds of wind chimes in the cemetery next door and im quite sure that they make a lot more noise than just one metal wind/woodden chimes. So Mr know it all ban the wind chimes you are quite happy hide lets see if when the time comes you have the guts to put you face and name to what you said above and show up in court if your family/friends need it as you seen to know everything about this site. Also maybe you would like to approach the council and ask why others are allowed to break the site rules on a daily basis and nothing is done. Reocoll
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3:58pm Thu 30 May 13

kerry lane says...

What a complete prat. People like yourself need to get a life. There's more to life than wind chimes.
What a complete prat. People like yourself need to get a life. There's more to life than wind chimes. kerry lane
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