Basingstoke man banned from keeping animals for life after taking his pet monkey to the pub

Andover Advertiser: Richard Walton Richard Walton

A BASINGSTOKE dad has been banned from keeping animals indefinitely after he took his pet monkey to the pub on a lead and kept him in a birdcage.

Richard Walton, a father-of-two, pleaded guilty to causing unnecessary suffering to his marmoset, Milo.

The 32-year-old was charged after a patron at the Portsmouth Arms, in Hatchwarren Lane, reported him to the RSPCA when he turned up at the pub with Milo on his shoulder.

The person who tipped off the charity had seen an article in The Gazette in May, reporting that Walton was already banned from keeping animals for two years, after he allowed the nails on his English bull terrier-type dog, Maisy, to grow into the pads on her feet.

As previously reported in The Gazette, RSPCA inspector Jan Edwards visited Walton's home, in Whitgift Close, Beggarwood, on June 4, with Dr Alison Cronin, director of Monkey World sanctuary, in Dorset. They found three-year-old Milo in a cramped birdcage in an upstairs bedroom.

Walton pleaded guilty on November 21 to two counts of causing unnecessary suffering to a protected animal and one count of failing to meet the needs of an animal.

He appeared at Basingstoke Magistrates' Court today for sentencing.

Nicola Hutchins, RSPCA prosecutor, said Walton was given Milo by a friend who was going travelling in Thailand.

She said Milo was found in “solitary confinement” and added: “The cage was in a dark corner of the room. There was no water provided that day. There was a bowl with a few grapes but they hadn't been touched.”Milo had nowhere to sleep and the blankets in his cage were wet from urine, while a toy was covered in faeces.

Mrs Hutchins said Milo would have found going to the pub “extremely stressful.”

Milo was rescued by Monkey World, and upon examination was found to be underweight, malnourished, had a missing canine tooth and bare spots on his tail.

When Milo was rescued, he was not agile or able to jump or crouch like a normal marmoset. However, Mrs Hutchins said he has made a full recovery and has been paired with a mate.

Mrs Hutchins said the RSPCA had not charged Walton for breaching the sentence which banned him from keeping animals, because of a typing error in a letter sent to him, which erroneously said he was only banned from keeping dogs.

Philip McCann, defending Walton, said he was not meant to be keeping Milo for long, and that the monkey's tooth was missing when he acquired him.

He said Walton, who is the primary carer of his children, aged six and 10, was “very foolish” for taking Milo to the pub, and regretted his actions.

Magistrate Doctor Christopher Pankhurst said the sentencing options were “severely limited” because a psychiatric report suggested Walton would not cope with a lengthy community order, the crime did not quite cross the threshold for imprisonment, and Walton had no means to pay for a fine, being on benefits.

Dr Pankhurst said: “We do think this offence is quite shocking,” but added: “The fact you have two dependent small children does severely limit what we can do.”

He sentenced Walton to a nine-month community order with a supervision requirement, and disqualified him from keeping any animal indefinitely. He was also ordered to pay £100 costs and £60 victim surcharge.

Inspector Edwards said: “Milo had a miserable life which compromised his welfare. At least now he is doing very well in Monkey World's care.

“The magistrates rightly called this case shocking and very serious, and I am delighted Walton has been disqualified from keeping animals. Hopefully, this can prevent much suffering to other animals in the future.”

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4:28pm Thu 16 Jan 14

alan partridge says...

Aha!

Is that a picture of the monkey?
Aha! Is that a picture of the monkey? alan partridge

8:17am Fri 17 Jan 14

deepinsight says...

No, that's the beast.
No, that's the beast. deepinsight

11:51am Fri 17 Jan 14

jonone says...

"Walton, who is the primary carer of his children"

"Unemployed" clearly a politically incorrect term for an animal abuser.
"Walton, who is the primary carer of his children" "Unemployed" clearly a politically incorrect term for an animal abuser. jonone

6:04pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Well now he's lost his dog and the monkey who will lead him to the pub or the tatoo parlour to spend his JOB SEEKERS allowance. I am seriously worried about the two children though, I hope they are being closely monitored.
Well now he's lost his dog and the monkey who will lead him to the pub or the tatoo parlour to spend his JOB SEEKERS allowance. I am seriously worried about the two children though, I hope they are being closely monitored. Folkestone Saint

7:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Marina Morris says...

On benefits and able to patronise the Portsmouth Arms. Perhaps he only drinks tap water.
On benefits and able to patronise the Portsmouth Arms. Perhaps he only drinks tap water. Marina Morris

3:14pm Sat 18 Jan 14

drama87 says...

His a great dad!! Not great with pets but them kids are happy
His a great dad!! Not great with pets but them kids are happy drama87

1:12pm Sun 19 Jan 14

exbusdriver says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Well now he's lost his dog and the monkey who will lead him to the pub or the tatoo parlour to spend his JOB SEEKERS allowance. I am seriously worried about the two children though, I hope they are being closely monitored.
I live a couple of doors down to this bloke and i have heard that he always shouts at his kids for no reason and i have also heard that he smokes cannabis around his children or near his kidswhat kind of father is that
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: Well now he's lost his dog and the monkey who will lead him to the pub or the tatoo parlour to spend his JOB SEEKERS allowance. I am seriously worried about the two children though, I hope they are being closely monitored.[/p][/quote]I live a couple of doors down to this bloke and i have heard that he always shouts at his kids for no reason and i have also heard that he smokes cannabis around his children or near his kidswhat kind of father is that exbusdriver

5:23pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

exbusdriver wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
Well now he's lost his dog and the monkey who will lead him to the pub or the tatoo parlour to spend his JOB SEEKERS allowance. I am seriously worried about the two children though, I hope they are being closely monitored.
I live a couple of doors down to this bloke and i have heard that he always shouts at his kids for no reason and i have also heard that he smokes cannabis around his children or near his kidswhat kind of father is that
Loosers always look to blame those weaker than themselves, so what you have said comes as no suprise to me, I think it is sad for children to be taken into care but sometime it is worse to leave them where they are, also they only learn to be the same sort of person as they grow up,
[quote][p][bold]exbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: Well now he's lost his dog and the monkey who will lead him to the pub or the tatoo parlour to spend his JOB SEEKERS allowance. I am seriously worried about the two children though, I hope they are being closely monitored.[/p][/quote]I live a couple of doors down to this bloke and i have heard that he always shouts at his kids for no reason and i have also heard that he smokes cannabis around his children or near his kidswhat kind of father is that[/p][/quote]Loosers always look to blame those weaker than themselves, so what you have said comes as no suprise to me, I think it is sad for children to be taken into care but sometime it is worse to leave them where they are, also they only learn to be the same sort of person as they grow up, Folkestone Saint

8:49am Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills vixen10

9:03am Mon 20 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou. Folkestone Saint

9:27am Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.[/p][/quote]There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts vixen10

9:37am Mon 20 Jan 14

jonone says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts
The children "never go without" and he is unemployed. Sounds like he needs to be employed by a food bank to give people there some tips on money and budgeting, could be a real asset....
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.[/p][/quote]There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts[/p][/quote]The children "never go without" and he is unemployed. Sounds like he needs to be employed by a food bank to give people there some tips on money and budgeting, could be a real asset.... jonone

9:42am Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Just because someone is unemployed does not mean they cant support children does it? I suppose your perfect are you?
Just because someone is unemployed does not mean they cant support children does it? I suppose your perfect are you? vixen10

10:34am Mon 20 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts
So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.[/p][/quote]There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts[/p][/quote]So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?. Folkestone Saint

12:13pm Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts
So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.
And where does it say he is on JSA it says unemployed not that he is on JSA so yet another assumption by yourself? You have been talking about the children which is unreasonable the children ARE looked after and have done nothing wrong in this. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop hiding behind your computer and state your opinions/concerns to Mr Walton in person instead of slating him on here
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.[/p][/quote]There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts[/p][/quote]So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.[/p][/quote]And where does it say he is on JSA it says unemployed not that he is on JSA so yet another assumption by yourself? You have been talking about the children which is unreasonable the children ARE looked after and have done nothing wrong in this. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop hiding behind your computer and state your opinions/concerns to Mr Walton in person instead of slating him on here vixen10

2:22pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jonone says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts
So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.
And where does it say he is on JSA it says unemployed not that he is on JSA so yet another assumption by yourself? You have been talking about the children which is unreasonable the children ARE looked after and have done nothing wrong in this. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop hiding behind your computer and state your opinions/concerns to Mr Walton in person instead of slating him on here
If he can raise two kids whilst unemployed and receiving no welfare payments and have a pet monkey and afford tattoos on his neck, he must have a secret we could all benefit from!!

Oh and by the way Mrs Walton I mean Vixen10, you'll find Folkestone Saint is expressing an opinion, something that is legal in this country.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.[/p][/quote]There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts[/p][/quote]So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.[/p][/quote]And where does it say he is on JSA it says unemployed not that he is on JSA so yet another assumption by yourself? You have been talking about the children which is unreasonable the children ARE looked after and have done nothing wrong in this. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop hiding behind your computer and state your opinions/concerns to Mr Walton in person instead of slating him on here[/p][/quote]If he can raise two kids whilst unemployed and receiving no welfare payments and have a pet monkey and afford tattoos on his neck, he must have a secret we could all benefit from!! Oh and by the way Mrs Walton I mean Vixen10, you'll find Folkestone Saint is expressing an opinion, something that is legal in this country. jonone

3:01pm Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Go tell your opinion to someone who cares then.. maybe ask him a few pointers, correct me if I am wrong but the majority of people in that street does not work I take it your one of those, therefore what do you spend your JSA on?? Mrs Walton thats assuming considering he is not married.
Go tell your opinion to someone who cares then.. maybe ask him a few pointers, correct me if I am wrong but the majority of people in that street does not work I take it your one of those, therefore what do you spend your JSA on?? Mrs Walton thats assuming considering he is not married. vixen10

4:47pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
vixen10 wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills
I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.
There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts
So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.
And where does it say he is on JSA it says unemployed not that he is on JSA so yet another assumption by yourself? You have been talking about the children which is unreasonable the children ARE looked after and have done nothing wrong in this. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop hiding behind your computer and state your opinions/concerns to Mr Walton in person instead of slating him on here
It says he is on benefits, as I have almost nearly always worked (apart from 6 months in 1985) I assume if you are on benifits and not working it is JSA, as if you are not seeking employment you don't deserve benefits, as for the children, yes I am concerned and at no point have suggested that they are in any way connected to his crimes. I am braver than walton by the way, I don't miss-treat the defensless, thats the actions of a coward in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: I think you will find he is a very good dad, he does not smoke cannabis and the children are very well looked after. Papers always make things sound worse then they are to sell a story. I think people should get there facts straight before making judgement on people's parenting skills[/p][/quote]I'm judging him on the fact he has no respect for the law and is cruel to animals, also he does not work and spends some of the what little money he has on alcohol and tattoo's which means his children are going without, those are the facts that are present to me so I will judge him on those thankyou.[/p][/quote]There not the facts at all goes to show what you know. Your reading these so called "facts" from a paper. Those children never go without and are well looked after so unless you live with him how would you know the facts[/p][/quote]So he is not cruel to animals, he respects the law, he does not spend his job seekers allowance on booze and tatt's as he works?.[/p][/quote]And where does it say he is on JSA it says unemployed not that he is on JSA so yet another assumption by yourself? You have been talking about the children which is unreasonable the children ARE looked after and have done nothing wrong in this. Maybe you should grow a pair and stop hiding behind your computer and state your opinions/concerns to Mr Walton in person instead of slating him on here[/p][/quote]It says he is on benefits, as I have almost nearly always worked (apart from 6 months in 1985) I assume if you are on benifits and not working it is JSA, as if you are not seeking employment you don't deserve benefits, as for the children, yes I am concerned and at no point have suggested that they are in any way connected to his crimes. I am braver than walton by the way, I don't miss-treat the defensless, thats the actions of a coward in my opinion. Folkestone Saint

5:18pm Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Maybe you should look up benefits then and not assume he is on JSA where does it state he is not looking for employment?Your braver them him yet you slag him off via the internet funny that and if you are so concerned why have you not ring social services, concerned Neighbour? The only coward is you hiding behind your computer
Maybe you should look up benefits then and not assume he is on JSA where does it state he is not looking for employment?Your braver them him yet you slag him off via the internet funny that and if you are so concerned why have you not ring social services, concerned Neighbour? The only coward is you hiding behind your computer vixen10

5:57pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
Maybe you should look up benefits then and not assume he is on JSA where does it state he is not looking for employment?Your braver them him yet you slag him off via the internet funny that and if you are so concerned why have you not ring social services, concerned Neighbour? The only coward is you hiding behind your computer
As I live in Folkestone now I would hardly call myself a neighbour, and why am I a coward for not going to his house? what would happen to me if I did?. Would I be wrong in thinking that this person is your son or very close relative as all you have done is defend him, do you think it is OK to torture defensless animals as you have not said anything about the lead storey or are you as morally corrupt as him?
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: Maybe you should look up benefits then and not assume he is on JSA where does it state he is not looking for employment?Your braver them him yet you slag him off via the internet funny that and if you are so concerned why have you not ring social services, concerned Neighbour? The only coward is you hiding behind your computer[/p][/quote]As I live in Folkestone now I would hardly call myself a neighbour, and why am I a coward for not going to his house? what would happen to me if I did?. Would I be wrong in thinking that this person is your son or very close relative as all you have done is defend him, do you think it is OK to torture defensless animals as you have not said anything about the lead storey or are you as morally corrupt as him? Folkestone Saint

6:21pm Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

You dont live in Folkestone at all. I am no way related to Walton. Nobody has said he is innocent what i am saying is dont say things about his children unless you can back it up. Oh and by the way a little bird tells me you also claims benefits. Anyway as much as iv have enjoyed this conversation some of us have work and things to do.
You dont live in Folkestone at all. I am no way related to Walton. Nobody has said he is innocent what i am saying is dont say things about his children unless you can back it up. Oh and by the way a little bird tells me you also claims benefits. Anyway as much as iv have enjoyed this conversation some of us have work and things to do. vixen10

7:03pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
You dont live in Folkestone at all. I am no way related to Walton. Nobody has said he is innocent what i am saying is dont say things about his children unless you can back it up. Oh and by the way a little bird tells me you also claims benefits. Anyway as much as iv have enjoyed this conversation some of us have work and things to do.
I have lived here since 1985 and run two businesses and employ staff, so your little bird only exists in your odd little mind . As you are so well informed why did you allow him to keep this poor little animal in such dire conditions, you are as guilty as him in my opinion, and btw I have said nothing ABOUT his children apart from they are going without as he is wasting money on tatt's and alcohol but not on pet care.
I noticed you did not answer my questions from earlier, maybe when you've finished delivering pizza's you will.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: You dont live in Folkestone at all. I am no way related to Walton. Nobody has said he is innocent what i am saying is dont say things about his children unless you can back it up. Oh and by the way a little bird tells me you also claims benefits. Anyway as much as iv have enjoyed this conversation some of us have work and things to do.[/p][/quote]I have lived here since 1985 and run two businesses and employ staff, so your little bird only exists in your odd little mind . As you are so well informed why did you allow him to keep this poor little animal in such dire conditions, you are as guilty as him in my opinion, and btw I have said nothing ABOUT his children apart from they are going without as he is wasting money on tatt's and alcohol but not on pet care. I noticed you did not answer my questions from earlier, maybe when you've finished delivering pizza's you will. Folkestone Saint

7:39pm Mon 20 Jan 14

jonone says...

vixen10 wrote:
Go tell your opinion to someone who cares then.. maybe ask him a few pointers, correct me if I am wrong but the majority of people in that street does not work I take it your one of those, therefore what do you spend your JSA on?? Mrs Walton thats assuming considering he is not married.
So, why do we have to take your word for it and not "exbusdriver" who clearly says he lives nearby? Why does his opinion count for nothing.

Oh and I also don't claim any JSA either, being dumb enough to work for my income and live within my means.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: Go tell your opinion to someone who cares then.. maybe ask him a few pointers, correct me if I am wrong but the majority of people in that street does not work I take it your one of those, therefore what do you spend your JSA on?? Mrs Walton thats assuming considering he is not married.[/p][/quote]So, why do we have to take your word for it and not "exbusdriver" who clearly says he lives nearby? Why does his opinion count for nothing. Oh and I also don't claim any JSA either, being dumb enough to work for my income and live within my means. jonone

7:46pm Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Exbusdriver actually moved out years ago!! We are talking like 6 years ago and pretty much everyone in that house claims benefits, there a fine one to talk to be fair considering they also neglected a dog!!
Exbusdriver actually moved out years ago!! We are talking like 6 years ago and pretty much everyone in that house claims benefits, there a fine one to talk to be fair considering they also neglected a dog!! vixen10

8:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Folkestone saint you believe what you like. I work unlike most people. Those children are looked after. Everyone in the street knew about the monkey therefore are they guilty too? I am no relation what so ever. I actually live in the same street not that it is anything to do with you. His tattoos were brought when he worked. Like i said the children are fine. Therefore i am not interested in anymore of your rubbish
Folkestone saint you believe what you like. I work unlike most people. Those children are looked after. Everyone in the street knew about the monkey therefore are they guilty too? I am no relation what so ever. I actually live in the same street not that it is anything to do with you. His tattoos were brought when he worked. Like i said the children are fine. Therefore i am not interested in anymore of your rubbish vixen10

12:26am Tue 21 Jan 14

loftyluke says...

I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.
I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses. loftyluke

8:25am Tue 21 Jan 14

jonone says...

loftyluke wrote:
I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.
But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then"

Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....
[quote][p][bold]loftyluke[/bold] wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.[/p][/quote]But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then" Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault.... jonone

8:29am Tue 21 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

I work thank you. You dont know the story your reading allergations in a paper! Everyone knows that papers lie to sell a story. Plus there maybe a reason he cant work, like illness so you judge all you like! God forbid the day when you dont work and have to claim benefits!
I work thank you. You dont know the story your reading allergations in a paper! Everyone knows that papers lie to sell a story. Plus there maybe a reason he cant work, like illness so you judge all you like! God forbid the day when you dont work and have to claim benefits! vixen10

9:06am Tue 21 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

jonone wrote:
loftyluke wrote:
I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.
But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then"

Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....
So you don't think that vixen and lofty are the same person then, same gammer and punctuation gives it away. From what they "both" say we may well be met with violence if we voiced our opinion to his face, and this would happen whilst ALL of the neighbours see nothing.
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftyluke[/bold] wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.[/p][/quote]But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then" Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....[/p][/quote]So you don't think that vixen and lofty are the same person then, same gammer and punctuation gives it away. From what they "both" say we may well be met with violence if we voiced our opinion to his face, and this would happen whilst ALL of the neighbours see nothing. Folkestone Saint

9:38am Tue 21 Jan 14

laurence86 says...

loftyluke wrote:
I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.
By definition if he is on benefits then it is the tax payers business to ensure that he is being given enough to ensure a health basic lifestyle and not too much so that he can spend money on luxuries such as trips to the pub. Any excess money would be best off being redistributed to the many people who need it, or reducing the welfare bill for the tax payer.

In relation to Vixen 10 comment earlier “Just because someone is unemployed does not mean they cant support children does it?” If you are not employed then no you can’t support your children, the tax payer is supporting you and your children. If you are earning money which you are not declaring then you are breaking the law, and should be made to repay the tax payer the money that you have stolen from them.

Personal I think that this article is just yet more proof that welfare should not be given as cash but rather vouchers that can only be spent on the basics, such as food, water, school supplies, shelter etc. The majority of the tax income is paid for by the low paid hard working masses, they deserve to have their hard earned money well spent. Viva La Revolution!
[quote][p][bold]loftyluke[/bold] wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.[/p][/quote]By definition if he is on benefits then it is the tax payers business to ensure that he is being given enough to ensure a health basic lifestyle and not too much so that he can spend money on luxuries such as trips to the pub. Any excess money would be best off being redistributed to the many people who need it, or reducing the welfare bill for the tax payer. In relation to Vixen 10 comment earlier “Just because someone is unemployed does not mean they cant support children does it?” If you are not employed then no you can’t support your children, the tax payer is supporting you and your children. If you are earning money which you are not declaring then you are breaking the law, and should be made to repay the tax payer the money that you have stolen from them. Personal I think that this article is just yet more proof that welfare should not be given as cash but rather vouchers that can only be spent on the basics, such as food, water, school supplies, shelter etc. The majority of the tax income is paid for by the low paid hard working masses, they deserve to have their hard earned money well spent. Viva La Revolution! laurence86

11:31am Tue 21 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone saint you believe what you like. I work unlike most people. Those children are looked after. Everyone in the street knew about the monkey therefore are they guilty too? I am no relation what so ever. I actually live in the same street not that it is anything to do with you. His tattoos were brought when he worked. Like i said the children are fine. Therefore i am not interested in anymore of your rubbish
I think it is you that is spouting rubbish saying things such as I don't live in Folkestone and a little bird said I'm not working and on benefits, as my wife earns the best part of £50,000 I don't qualify for any even if I didn't have my own businesses, and that the papers are making things up to sell a story, that must mean the courts are making things up as the paper reported the crime's he commited, also MOST people do work, just not within your social group abviously.
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: Folkestone saint you believe what you like. I work unlike most people. Those children are looked after. Everyone in the street knew about the monkey therefore are they guilty too? I am no relation what so ever. I actually live in the same street not that it is anything to do with you. His tattoos were brought when he worked. Like i said the children are fine. Therefore i am not interested in anymore of your rubbish[/p][/quote]I think it is you that is spouting rubbish saying things such as I don't live in Folkestone and a little bird said I'm not working and on benefits, as my wife earns the best part of £50,000 I don't qualify for any even if I didn't have my own businesses, and that the papers are making things up to sell a story, that must mean the courts are making things up as the paper reported the crime's he commited, also MOST people do work, just not within your social group abviously. Folkestone Saint

11:58am Tue 21 Jan 14

Buster Preciation says...

Meanwhile, back to the story as published ... Can someone explain what this means: " Walton would not cope with a lengthy community order". Personally if I was caught speeding I wouldn't cope very well with the fine. Since when has a criminal's ability to cope with the sentence had anything to do with law enforcement?
The comments above seem to be split between a couple of illiterate neighbours who think the criminal should be left alone and several others who question why their tax is being used to fund his choice of lifestyle and his crimes. You can guess where my sympathies lay.
Meanwhile, back to the story as published ... Can someone explain what this means: " Walton would not cope with a lengthy community order". Personally if I was caught speeding I wouldn't cope very well with the fine. Since when has a criminal's ability to cope with the sentence had anything to do with law enforcement? The comments above seem to be split between a couple of illiterate neighbours who think the criminal should be left alone and several others who question why their tax is being used to fund his choice of lifestyle and his crimes. You can guess where my sympathies lay. Buster Preciation

1:21pm Tue 21 Jan 14

vixen10 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
jonone wrote:
loftyluke wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.
But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then" Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....
So you don't think that vixen and lofty are the same person then, same gammer and punctuation gives it away. From what they "both" say we may well be met with violence if we voiced our opinion to his face, and this would happen whilst ALL of the neighbours see nothing.
Luke actually lives next door I dont! I live a few doors away. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but at the end of the day you dont know why he does not work therefore you cant pass judgement really. Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy. I could not care less what you think personally. I work full time, i dont claim any benefits not even tax credits so goes to show you judge people really doesnt it!
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftyluke[/bold] wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.[/p][/quote]But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then" Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....[/p][/quote]So you don't think that vixen and lofty are the same person then, same gammer and punctuation gives it away. From what they "both" say we may well be met with violence if we voiced our opinion to his face, and this would happen whilst ALL of the neighbours see nothing.[/p][/quote]Luke actually lives next door I dont! I live a few doors away. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but at the end of the day you dont know why he does not work therefore you cant pass judgement really. Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy. I could not care less what you think personally. I work full time, i dont claim any benefits not even tax credits so goes to show you judge people really doesnt it! vixen10

2:45pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote:
jonone wrote:
loftyluke wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.
But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then" Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....
So you don't think that vixen and lofty are the same person then, same gammer and punctuation gives it away. From what they "both" say we may well be met with violence if we voiced our opinion to his face, and this would happen whilst ALL of the neighbours see nothing.
Luke actually lives next door I dont! I live a few doors away. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but at the end of the day you dont know why he does not work therefore you cant pass judgement really. Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy. I could not care less what you think personally. I work full time, i dont claim any benefits not even tax credits so goes to show you judge people really doesnt it!
Where does it say by me that you do not work, and as I don't know what a tax credit is I can hardly accuse you of being on it/them, it is you that is making this story about you, in the mean time it is you that is calling me un-employed and a liar, why may I ask?
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftyluke[/bold] wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.[/p][/quote]But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then" Have to say that vixen10 and loftyluke's posts are not great adverts for educational standards, but that of course will not be their fault....[/p][/quote]So you don't think that vixen and lofty are the same person then, same gammer and punctuation gives it away. From what they "both" say we may well be met with violence if we voiced our opinion to his face, and this would happen whilst ALL of the neighbours see nothing.[/p][/quote]Luke actually lives next door I dont! I live a few doors away. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but at the end of the day you dont know why he does not work therefore you cant pass judgement really. Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy. I could not care less what you think personally. I work full time, i dont claim any benefits not even tax credits so goes to show you judge people really doesnt it![/p][/quote]Where does it say by me that you do not work, and as I don't know what a tax credit is I can hardly accuse you of being on it/them, it is you that is making this story about you, in the mean time it is you that is calling me un-employed and a liar, why may I ask? Folkestone Saint

4:21pm Tue 21 Jan 14

laurence86 says...

vixen10 wrote:
Folkestone Saint wrote: jonone wrote: loftyluke wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK thenTo be full time employed you have to work 35 hours a week, minimum wage is 6.31, if we assume you have 20 days holiday then you pay £2,120.16* a year tax minimum. Do you honestly think that it is fair that you pay that much tax and someone down the street who lives on benefits has £750(cheapest marmoset I could find) to spend on an exotic pet. Do you have £750 spare for a monkey? Can you honestly say that you would rather not have the amount of tax that you pay reduced? The low income masses are actually super tax payers who overall actually end up paying a high percentage of the government revenue. They work hard for their money and deserve to see that their taxes go to good causes not exotic pets and pubs.

*35hours x 48weeks x £6.31 = £10,600.80
20% tax on 10,600.80 = £2,120.16
[quote][p][bold]vixen10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftyluke[/bold] wrote: I am his next door neighbor and i have known him for years. I aint being funny but you can not slate this bloke unless you have met this bloke i agree with vixen10 his kids are well looked after and well fed as i know i have looked after his kids for a couple of hours and he is a decent bloke. So if you got the balls to say all of this on here then say it to his face. So what if he is on benefits its got nothing to do with anyone else it is his buisness not anyone elses.[/p][/quote]But never mind that he abuses animals and is convicted of that crime, he's a *lovely* bloke! Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK thenTo be full time employed you have to work 35 hours a week, minimum wage is 6.31, if we assume you have 20 days holiday then you pay £2,120.16* a year tax minimum. Do you honestly think that it is fair that you pay that much tax and someone down the street who lives on benefits has £750(cheapest marmoset I could find) to spend on an exotic pet. Do you have £750 spare for a monkey? Can you honestly say that you would rather not have the amount of tax that you pay reduced? The low income masses are actually super tax payers who overall actually end up paying a high percentage of the government revenue. They work hard for their money and deserve to see that their taxes go to good causes not exotic pets and pubs. *35hours x 48weeks x £6.31 = £10,600.80 20% tax on 10,600.80 = £2,120.16 laurence86

4:26pm Tue 21 Jan 14

laurence86 says...

Hmm not sure what happened to the quote there. My comment starts after “Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then”
Hmm not sure what happened to the quote there. My comment starts after “Bit like the Krays loving their mum and "that being OK then” laurence86

4:46pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Sam_Walker123456 says...

I am glad you are not my accountant laurence86.
35 hours x 52 weeks (entitled to paid holiday) x £6.31 = £11484.20
Less personal allowance £9444.00
Taxable pay £2040.20
Tax to pay at 20% £408.04
I am glad you are not my accountant laurence86. 35 hours x 52 weeks (entitled to paid holiday) x £6.31 = £11484.20 Less personal allowance £9444.00 Taxable pay £2040.20 Tax to pay at 20% £408.04 Sam_Walker123456

1:21am Wed 22 Jan 14

BranksomeCB says...

Terrible spelling - it's losers and not loosers and he's not his.

Exbusdriver " I have heard"

Are you speculating on rumour alone ?
Terrible spelling - it's losers and not loosers and he's not his. Exbusdriver " I have heard" Are you speculating on rumour alone ? BranksomeCB

9:21am Wed 22 Jan 14

laurence86 says...

Sam_Walker123456 wrote:
I am glad you are not my accountant laurence86. 35 hours x 52 weeks (entitled to paid holiday) x £6.31 = £11484.20 Less personal allowance £9444.00 Taxable pay £2040.20 Tax to pay at 20% £408.04
Very astute Sam_Walker123456, luckily I am not an accountant. However my question still stands don’t forget vixen10 will still be paying VAT on most of her purchases and NI contributions.

Based on your calculations Sam, it has taken two people on minim wage a year of working to pay enough tax to buy that monkey. Hardly seems fair to me.
[quote][p][bold]Sam_Walker123456[/bold] wrote: I am glad you are not my accountant laurence86. 35 hours x 52 weeks (entitled to paid holiday) x £6.31 = £11484.20 Less personal allowance £9444.00 Taxable pay £2040.20 Tax to pay at 20% £408.04[/p][/quote]Very astute Sam_Walker123456, luckily I am not an accountant. However my question still stands don’t forget vixen10 will still be paying VAT on most of her purchases and NI contributions. Based on your calculations Sam, it has taken two people on minim wage a year of working to pay enough tax to buy that monkey. Hardly seems fair to me. laurence86

9:50am Wed 22 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

BranksomeCB wrote:
Terrible spelling - it's losers and not loosers and he's not his.

Exbusdriver " I have heard"

Are you speculating on rumour alone ?
This is the quotes section not a school spelling test you saddo, and if you were that smart you would pick up on the poor grammer too.
[quote][p][bold]BranksomeCB[/bold] wrote: Terrible spelling - it's losers and not loosers and he's not his. Exbusdriver " I have heard" Are you speculating on rumour alone ?[/p][/quote]This is the quotes section not a school spelling test you saddo, and if you were that smart you would pick up on the poor grammer too. Folkestone Saint

11:32am Wed 22 Jan 14

deepinsight says...

I though the whole poinjt of this story was that the man was cruel to animals, and was convicted of that.

Vixen 10 stated, "Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy". Which rather sums it up - the children were looked after and happy but not the monkey.

Thankfully the children weren't subjected to the same inhuman treatment as the monkey, if they were I'm sure that there'd have been much more protest.
I though the whole poinjt of this story was that the man was cruel to animals, and was convicted of that. Vixen 10 stated, "Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy". Which rather sums it up - the children were looked after and happy but not the monkey. Thankfully the children weren't subjected to the same inhuman treatment as the monkey, if they were I'm sure that there'd have been much more protest. deepinsight

1:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Jonty11 says...

"There is increasing research and clinical
evidence which suggests that there are
sometimes inter-relationships, commonly
referred to as ‘links’, between the abuse
of children, vulnerable adults and animals."

"Where serious animal abuse has
occurred in a household there may be an
increased likelihood that some other form
of family violence is also occurring,
and that any children present may also
be at increased risk of abuse."

This according to the NSPCC - so as this chap has been prosecuted and banned from keeping animals, it's only understandable that people are raising queries regarding the children
"There is increasing research and clinical evidence which suggests that there are sometimes inter-relationships, commonly referred to as ‘links’, between the abuse of children, vulnerable adults and animals." "Where serious animal abuse has occurred in a household there may be an increased likelihood that some other form of family violence is also occurring, and that any children present may also be at increased risk of abuse." This according to the NSPCC - so as this chap has been prosecuted and banned from keeping animals, it's only understandable that people are raising queries regarding the children Jonty11

3:49pm Wed 22 Jan 14

jonone says...

deepinsight wrote:
I though the whole poinjt of this story was that the man was cruel to animals, and was convicted of that.

Vixen 10 stated, "Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy". Which rather sums it up - the children were looked after and happy but not the monkey.

Thankfully the children weren't subjected to the same inhuman treatment as the monkey, if they were I'm sure that there'd have been much more protest.
His supporters didn't seem overly concerned about the animal's welfare at all. Says a lot.
[quote][p][bold]deepinsight[/bold] wrote: I though the whole poinjt of this story was that the man was cruel to animals, and was convicted of that. Vixen 10 stated, "Nobody in life is perfect and the main thing is the children are looked after and happy". Which rather sums it up - the children were looked after and happy but not the monkey. Thankfully the children weren't subjected to the same inhuman treatment as the monkey, if they were I'm sure that there'd have been much more protest.[/p][/quote]His supporters didn't seem overly concerned about the animal's welfare at all. Says a lot. jonone

1:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

robertspet8 says...

Sam_Walker123456 wrote:
I am glad you are not my accountant laurence86.
35 hours x 52 weeks (entitled to paid holiday) x £6.31 = £11484.20
Less personal allowance £9444.00
Taxable pay £2040.20
Tax to pay at 20% £408.04
Sam you have forgotten National Insurance, which is the 'hidden' part of Income Tax. In your above example the person would pay a further £448 in NI in the year. So a whacking great total Tax take of £856 from someone who is not even earning the living wage. In my view that is almost as criminal as the the man in this story being able to afford an exotic pet when on benefits, but nowhere near as criminal as his treatment of the unfortunate creature.
It beggars belief that the country employs an army of civil servants to collect two separate income taxes, which both go into the same pot, and another army to pay it out again as dozens of different benefits some of which will go back to the people it was taken from in the first place. How much does that cost the country and how many opportunities for fraud does it create?
[quote][p][bold]Sam_Walker123456[/bold] wrote: I am glad you are not my accountant laurence86. 35 hours x 52 weeks (entitled to paid holiday) x £6.31 = £11484.20 Less personal allowance £9444.00 Taxable pay £2040.20 Tax to pay at 20% £408.04[/p][/quote]Sam you have forgotten National Insurance, which is the 'hidden' part of Income Tax. In your above example the person would pay a further £448 in NI in the year. So a whacking great total Tax take of £856 from someone who is not even earning the living wage. In my view that is almost as criminal as the the man in this story being able to afford an exotic pet when on benefits, but nowhere near as criminal as his treatment of the unfortunate creature. It beggars belief that the country employs an army of civil servants to collect two separate income taxes, which both go into the same pot, and another army to pay it out again as dozens of different benefits some of which will go back to the people it was taken from in the first place. How much does that cost the country and how many opportunities for fraud does it create? robertspet8

12:05am Mon 3 Feb 14

loftyluke says...

Just to say to one of the members on here that lives in whitgift close who owns a red saab estate and another with car is slating rick maybe you should stop your child (damian) who is downloading pirate dvds illegally i have notified the police and your worried about his kids maybe you should worry about you own kids. Oh no you cant do that can you you promised you would fix your youngest childs bike for the past couple of months and you didnt I DID it only took a couple of minutes maybe you should stay at home and be a dad to your kids there are SOOO many rumours that you are cheating on your wife going around the area
Just to say to one of the members on here that lives in whitgift close who owns a red saab estate and another with car is slating rick maybe you should stop your child (damian) who is downloading pirate dvds illegally i have notified the police and your worried about his kids maybe you should worry about you own kids. Oh no you cant do that can you you promised you would fix your youngest childs bike for the past couple of months and you didnt I DID it only took a couple of minutes maybe you should stay at home and be a dad to your kids there are SOOO many rumours that you are cheating on your wife going around the area loftyluke

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