Public meeting hears more on plans for new hospital between Winchester And Basingstoke

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HEALTH chiefs’ plans to shake up hospital care in Winchester were heard last night (THURS).

Approximately 100 people attended the public meeting, chaired by Winchester and Chandler’s Ford MP Steve Brine, and had the opportunity to quiz bosses on plans to centralise hospital care between Winchester and Basingstoke.

The meeting heard how the proposed central hospital, to be built on an unknown site, would cater for 15 per cent of hospital patients, those being the most sick, with the other 85 per cent continuing to be treated at either North Hampshire or Royal Hampshire County Hospitals.

The new ‘critical treatment’ hospital would cost £120 million, take two and a half years to build and spend £7 million annually in running costs, but won’t create any new jobs and will mean fewer hospital beds across the Hampshire Hospitals area - down from the current 900.

Mary Edwards, chief executive of Hampshire Hospitals Foundation Trust, said the centralised system would create a more efficient service, operating specialist centres from one site instead of the current two, giving ambulances easier access to critical units.

“This is about delivering and improving services in general hospitals. The 15 per cent sickest patients will be taken to the right site and will be treated more quickly with the correct treatment and specialist care.”

However, a question from a Mr Hugh in the audience prompted applause. He said: “Land at Winchester hospital has been sold off for non-medical purposes - I see student flats there. Why is it that you are saying there is not enough space to build on our existing facilities?”

Ms Edwards said: “Centralisation in Winchester is not the right answer for the whole population, the physical location is not ideal and is too close to Southampton General.”

The two sites optioned for consultation are North Hampshire Hospital in Basingstoke, or the ‘green triangle’ site - somewhere between the M3, A303 and A34.

MP Steve Brine said building the centre in Basingstoke would not be effective.

“Basingstoke is not an option for me because it’s too far away and will compromise services and patient care for the people in my constituency,” he said.

“By building at either Winchester or Basingstoke the centre of gravity is too far at either end.”

Concerns were also raised about access for families or the sick, but Chief Medical Officer Dr Andrew Bishop said careful consideration was being given to the location and planning permission would be unattainable without a sufficient travel plan.

He said: “The amount of time that people will be spending in the hospital will be minimal, because they will be treated quickly.

“We want to minimise the amount of time that people spend in hospital, and therefore there will not be as great a need for visitors as we used to see in the old days.”

The panel also included Hampshire Hospitals Foundation Trust Associate Director of Midwifery and Women’s Health Caroline Brunt and Dr Nigel Sylvester, from the West Hampshire Clinical Commissioning Group.

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5:53pm Fri 28 Mar 14

underpaid NHS worker says...

Senior management yet again dithering on this new treatment hospital. Their estates plan is incoherent and should focus on the terrible run-down buildings at Winchester Hospital. BDH is probably just as bad.
Senior management yet again dithering on this new treatment hospital. Their estates plan is incoherent and should focus on the terrible run-down buildings at Winchester Hospital. BDH is probably just as bad. underpaid NHS worker
  • Score: 3

2:06pm Mon 31 Mar 14

wheresthemoneygone says...

RIP NHS.Lies,lies,lies, smoke and mirrors - Winchester with a catchment area of about 117,000 people clearly needs a General Hospital.The idea that Winchester is too close to Southampton(populati
on -237,000) General is clearly nonsensical(too close for what?), the Journey to Basingstoke(populati
on 168,000) would be about 25 miles(taking 30 minutes approx by car)Winchester simply must have a general hospital. RIP NHS.Why doesn't Edwards and her ilk simply say, 'We're going to break up the NHS: it's going to be far harder to access medical services and you'll have to pay for it from now on' - but I don't even know that you would get more than 100 people at a meeting then.If you don't fight for it you're going to lose it and you're going to make the future far harder for your children,parents, friends and yourselves.RIP NHS
RIP NHS.Lies,lies,lies, smoke and mirrors - Winchester with a catchment area of about 117,000 people clearly needs a General Hospital.The idea that Winchester is too close to Southampton(populati on -237,000) General is clearly nonsensical(too close for what?), the Journey to Basingstoke(populati on 168,000) would be about 25 miles(taking 30 minutes approx by car)Winchester simply must have a general hospital. RIP NHS.Why doesn't Edwards and her ilk simply say, 'We're going to break up the NHS: it's going to be far harder to access medical services and you'll have to pay for it from now on' - but I don't even know that you would get more than 100 people at a meeting then.If you don't fight for it you're going to lose it and you're going to make the future far harder for your children,parents, friends and yourselves.RIP NHS wheresthemoneygone
  • Score: 7

11:27pm Sat 5 Apr 14

concernedaboutnhs says...

Who decides who the sickest 15% are? I would imagine that it would be Doctors who would decide this. Does this mean the ambulance crew might take you to the more minor centre first, only to then have to transfer to the major unit. Patients deteriorate, fact. With the greatest respect to the ambulance service, they are not doctors and will they be able to triage well enough who needs to go to which site.Also, what does " there will not be as great a need for visitors as we used to see in the old days" mean? I was a nurse for twenty years and we did not NEED visitors, relatives etc WANT to see their family member/friend. How are people who may not drive, going to visit their relatives. As a hospital you may want to treat people quickly, but older people, in particular, can have many complicated co-existing problems and i am not sure that the described quick fix/ so you don't need your relatives approach will necessarily work. I would also like to ask these questions. In what way is Winchester hospital too close to Southampton? Too close for what.? What current problems do ambulances face with access to critical units. The statement that one hospital will ease access for them makes no sense to me unless their current access is a huge struggle.My last question is in relation to the statement "will be treated more quickly with the correct treatment and specialist care" How will you treat more quickly? Will the Doctors and nurses in the new hospital work faster? Do people not get the correct treatment now?My impression of Winchester A &E, on the occasion I have needed it, is that I have received the correct treatment in a timely manner. This is reduction by stealth and the people of Winchester need to take note.
Who decides who the sickest 15% are? I would imagine that it would be Doctors who would decide this. Does this mean the ambulance crew might take you to the more minor centre first, only to then have to transfer to the major unit. Patients deteriorate, fact. With the greatest respect to the ambulance service, they are not doctors and will they be able to triage well enough who needs to go to which site.Also, what does " there will not be as great a need for visitors as we used to see in the old days" mean? I was a nurse for twenty years and we did not NEED visitors, relatives etc WANT to see their family member/friend. How are people who may not drive, going to visit their relatives. As a hospital you may want to treat people quickly, but older people, in particular, can have many complicated co-existing problems and i am not sure that the described quick fix/ so you don't need your relatives approach will necessarily work. I would also like to ask these questions. In what way is Winchester hospital too close to Southampton? Too close for what.? What current problems do ambulances face with access to critical units. The statement that one hospital will ease access for them makes no sense to me unless their current access is a huge struggle.My last question is in relation to the statement "will be treated more quickly with the correct treatment and specialist care" How will you treat more quickly? Will the Doctors and nurses in the new hospital work faster? Do people not get the correct treatment now?My impression of Winchester A &E, on the occasion I have needed it, is that I have received the correct treatment in a timely manner. This is reduction by stealth and the people of Winchester need to take note. concernedaboutnhs
  • Score: 3

11:36pm Sat 5 Apr 14

concernedaboutnhs says...

One further comment. At this new site, if you are admitted in the middle of the night, I imagine you will see an A&E Doctor, followed by whoever is on call for either Medicine , Surgery, Gynae etc. with referral to relevant specialists the following day. This is no different to what will currently happen to you at Winchester A & E, so i feel that to try and claim care will be improved is misleading.
One further comment. At this new site, if you are admitted in the middle of the night, I imagine you will see an A&E Doctor, followed by whoever is on call for either Medicine , Surgery, Gynae etc. with referral to relevant specialists the following day. This is no different to what will currently happen to you at Winchester A & E, so i feel that to try and claim care will be improved is misleading. concernedaboutnhs
  • Score: 2

11:44pm Sat 5 Apr 14

concernedaboutnhs says...

What happens if you are one of the less sick 85% and at one of the older sites.
You deteriorate and need ventilating. Is there an ITU at the site or is it "up the road". Who cares for you, whilst waiting for one of the few ambulances available to transfer you to ITU at the new site. General nurses cannot care for ventilated patients.
What happens if you are one of the less sick 85% and at one of the older sites. You deteriorate and need ventilating. Is there an ITU at the site or is it "up the road". Who cares for you, whilst waiting for one of the few ambulances available to transfer you to ITU at the new site. General nurses cannot care for ventilated patients. concernedaboutnhs
  • Score: 2

9:43am Mon 7 Apr 14

concernedaboutnhs says...

Where is the evidence for better outcomes outside of heart attack and stroke?One recent study demonstrated that increase in distance to emergency care resulted in worse outcomes for respiratory illness.
I am angry that once again change is being introduced to the NHS without any joined up thinking.What else could the 120 million build costs be used for in the current local hospitals?
Nigel Edwards, writing in the health service journal on 28th March 2014 makes for very interesting reading. One particular point that comes to mind is that to provide just one extra ambulance in an area would pay for half a medical ward? How may ambulances will we need locally?
Evidence that cost savings are made is sparse, but there is evidence that the local site will downgrade over time as it becomes more difficult to recruit to etc.I just hope that we are provided with real evidence of what will be gained before we spend 120 million and end up with a provision for our health-care that cannot be undone.
Where is the evidence for better outcomes outside of heart attack and stroke?One recent study demonstrated that increase in distance to emergency care resulted in worse outcomes for respiratory illness. I am angry that once again change is being introduced to the NHS without any joined up thinking.What else could the 120 million build costs be used for in the current local hospitals? Nigel Edwards, writing in the health service journal on 28th March 2014 makes for very interesting reading. One particular point that comes to mind is that to provide just one extra ambulance in an area would pay for half a medical ward? How may ambulances will we need locally? Evidence that cost savings are made is sparse, but there is evidence that the local site will downgrade over time as it becomes more difficult to recruit to etc.I just hope that we are provided with real evidence of what will be gained before we spend 120 million and end up with a provision for our health-care that cannot be undone. concernedaboutnhs
  • Score: 3

10:41pm Thu 24 Apr 14

underpaid NHS worker says...

There is no evidence for "emergency only " hospitals. Only one has been built up north and opens next year.
There is no evidence for "emergency only " hospitals. Only one has been built up north and opens next year. underpaid NHS worker
  • Score: 2

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