Work gets under way on Southampton City Gateway tower in Swaythling

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IT’S been dubbed as an iconic landmark for Southampton.

Towering 15 storeys high, the aim was to provide hundreds of new student rooms as well as a medical centre for the community, but repeated attempts to get the scheme off the ground failed and caused controversy, with hundreds of local residents claiming that they had not been consulted.

But finally, after years of wrangling, work is finally under way on the Southampton City Gateway project that is set to transform part of Swaythling after a deal was struck with developers.

The agreement was signed by Bouygues Development and will see the design and build phase carried out by Warings Contractors, a Portsmouth-based firm.

The company has strong links with the area, having carried out the extension work at Eastleigh’s Swan Centre, redeveloped Bournemouth Airport and also worked on the Mary Rose Museum in Portsmouth.

The towerblock will be one of the city’s newest and most distinctive buildings, housing 364 student rooms for the University of Southampton, as well as a new medical centre for the Stoneham Lane Surgery, pharmacy and four retail units.

Work has already begun on the site, which has lain empty for years at the junction of Stoneham Way and Thomas Lewis Way, and is expected to be completed in 2014.

As part of the planning contract, nearby Parkville Road will be resurfaced, while work will also be carried out to improve the Market Buildings car park.

Philippe Jouy, Warings managing director, said: “Warings is proud to be delivering yet another of the region’s most high profile projects.

“This development promises huge benefits for the community and fantastic quality accommodation for the students, as well as a truly impressive new gateway to the city.”

The company has also signed a contract to build the Admiral’s Quay development at Ocean Village, one of the tallest towers in the south of England.

Bouygues, a French construction giant, was brought in to bail out the project by health firm Care Capital after the plans for the flagship project stalled as a result of the housing market crash and the effects of the credit crunch two years ago.

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7:49am Tue 27 Nov 12

roofspace says...

Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country?
Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of? roofspace

7:57am Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

roofspace wrote:
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country?
Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
You mean like the profits of British leyland?
but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]You mean like the profits of British leyland? but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get? loosehead

8:17am Tue 27 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

roofspace wrote:
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
yep - or alternatively it couild be held by Bouygues Construction Investments - their london based uk arm.

Probably not best to twist facts into what is obviously a very blinkered view. And dont use capital letters!
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]yep - or alternatively it couild be held by Bouygues Construction Investments - their london based uk arm. Probably not best to twist facts into what is obviously a very blinkered view. And dont use capital letters! elvisimo

8:39am Tue 27 Nov 12

Stillness says...

As most large British companies are doing everything in their power to avoid paying UK tax I doubt that it will make much difference.
As most large British companies are doing everything in their power to avoid paying UK tax I doubt that it will make much difference. Stillness

8:40am Tue 27 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

I bet they underestimate the car parking capacity!
I bet they underestimate the car parking capacity! OSPREYSAINT

9:28am Tue 27 Nov 12

Datarater says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I bet they underestimate the car parking capacity!
I bet the loonies will expect the employees to go to work on a bike.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I bet they underestimate the car parking capacity![/p][/quote]I bet the loonies will expect the employees to go to work on a bike. Datarater

9:47am Tue 27 Nov 12

The Wickham Man says...

Agree with Loosehead. It's wrong to talk about profits because there weren't any. But what is wrong is that we allowed any foregin country to bid for our utilities when British companies were prevented from doing the same even in this so called "free " European market. Any British company trying to buy a French company had so many obstacles placed in its way as to become impossible, yet we our utilities are now run by the French. Who is to blame? It is not the ministers - they are all temporary - it is the thousands of faceless incompetent bureaucrats who populate Quangos and thousands of civil service departments who constantly tell ministers that removing our trade barriers encourages other countries to do the same, And now after 25 years of foreign takeovers there is almost nothing left to buy and they are STILL saying it. That is the British problem and will it go away when labour get back in? No, Nothing will change despite all the rhetoric and hot air because the same morons are still in the same think tanks.
Agree with Loosehead. It's wrong to talk about profits because there weren't any. But what is wrong is that we allowed any foregin country to bid for our utilities when British companies were prevented from doing the same even in this so called "free " European market. Any British company trying to buy a French company had so many obstacles placed in its way as to become impossible, yet we our utilities are now run by the French. Who is to blame? It is not the ministers - they are all temporary - it is the thousands of faceless incompetent bureaucrats who populate Quangos and thousands of civil service departments who constantly tell ministers that removing our trade barriers encourages other countries to do the same, And now after 25 years of foreign takeovers there is almost nothing left to buy and they are STILL saying it. That is the British problem and will it go away when labour get back in? No, Nothing will change despite all the rhetoric and hot air because the same morons are still in the same think tanks. The Wickham Man

10:18am Tue 27 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

i suspect the shops next door will all be demolished in good time for car parking , the dirty tricks department are already in action .
i suspect the shops next door will all be demolished in good time for car parking , the dirty tricks department are already in action . arthur dalyrimple

10:25am Tue 27 Nov 12

DonRicardoMeerkat says...

Bouygues own Warings Contractors!
Bouygues own Warings Contractors! DonRicardoMeerkat

11:04am Tue 27 Nov 12

G0Rf says...

How much did the council sell the land for?

Where is everyone going to park?
There's going to be 364 student rooms.
How many people work at the doctors surgery?
How many patients will be at the surgery at any one time?

They are not all going to go by bike and there isnt anywhere close to park because of the main road?
How much did the council sell the land for? Where is everyone going to park? There's going to be 364 student rooms. How many people work at the doctors surgery? How many patients will be at the surgery at any one time? They are not all going to go by bike and there isnt anywhere close to park because of the main road? G0Rf

11:23am Tue 27 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

So the story now is that this site has lain empty for years. Actually it was the Swaythling Youth Centre, the Local Area Housing office and the car park for Swaythling shops. All sold off to finance the Sea City Mausoleum at the same time the last lot in power also sold off the Flowere Roads Community centre probably for the same reason. The Flower Roads have nothing now and the two Swaythling Tory councillors at the time didn't raise a bleat despite our repeated requests. Thank God for the likes of Don Thomas.
So the story now is that this site has lain empty for years. Actually it was the Swaythling Youth Centre, the Local Area Housing office and the car park for Swaythling shops. All sold off to finance the Sea City Mausoleum at the same time the last lot in power also sold off the Flowere Roads Community centre probably for the same reason. The Flower Roads have nothing now and the two Swaythling Tory councillors at the time didn't raise a bleat despite our repeated requests. Thank God for the likes of Don Thomas. Inform Al

11:41am Tue 27 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Inform Al wrote:
So the story now is that this site has lain empty for years. Actually it was the Swaythling Youth Centre, the Local Area Housing office and the car park for Swaythling shops. All sold off to finance the Sea City Mausoleum at the same time the last lot in power also sold off the Flowere Roads Community centre probably for the same reason. The Flower Roads have nothing now and the two Swaythling Tory councillors at the time didn't raise a bleat despite our repeated requests. Thank God for the likes of Don Thomas.
The two councillors were probably terrified of the Wrath of Royston, to be honest most were, anyone who questioned him or his ideals was pretty excluded from the council/party the same way as a certain Bitterne Park councillor
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: So the story now is that this site has lain empty for years. Actually it was the Swaythling Youth Centre, the Local Area Housing office and the car park for Swaythling shops. All sold off to finance the Sea City Mausoleum at the same time the last lot in power also sold off the Flowere Roads Community centre probably for the same reason. The Flower Roads have nothing now and the two Swaythling Tory councillors at the time didn't raise a bleat despite our repeated requests. Thank God for the likes of Don Thomas.[/p][/quote]The two councillors were probably terrified of the Wrath of Royston, to be honest most were, anyone who questioned him or his ideals was pretty excluded from the council/party the same way as a certain Bitterne Park councillor Over the Edge

12:41pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
So the story now is that this site has lain empty for years. Actually it was the Swaythling Youth Centre, the Local Area Housing office and the car park for Swaythling shops. All sold off to finance the Sea City Mausoleum at the same time the last lot in power also sold off the Flowere Roads Community centre probably for the same reason. The Flower Roads have nothing now and the two Swaythling Tory councillors at the time didn't raise a bleat despite our repeated requests. Thank God for the likes of Don Thomas.
So Cantell school isn't there then?
Funny when I did a post round in that area Cantell School was advertising community activities so a bit like Oasis Academy so it's not as if there's no where for the young or the community go is it?
Maybe open up a few of the SureStart centres as Youth clubs could help?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: So the story now is that this site has lain empty for years. Actually it was the Swaythling Youth Centre, the Local Area Housing office and the car park for Swaythling shops. All sold off to finance the Sea City Mausoleum at the same time the last lot in power also sold off the Flowere Roads Community centre probably for the same reason. The Flower Roads have nothing now and the two Swaythling Tory councillors at the time didn't raise a bleat despite our repeated requests. Thank God for the likes of Don Thomas.[/p][/quote]So Cantell school isn't there then? Funny when I did a post round in that area Cantell School was advertising community activities so a bit like Oasis Academy so it's not as if there's no where for the young or the community go is it? Maybe open up a few of the SureStart centres as Youth clubs could help? loosehead

12:44pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

I hope this building & others being built for the same reason means we don't need HMO's & these properties can return to family homes.
Swaythling Portswood has many great looking hoses which are either flats or HMO's & I would love to see them returned to family homes
I hope this building & others being built for the same reason means we don't need HMO's & these properties can return to family homes. Swaythling Portswood has many great looking hoses which are either flats or HMO's & I would love to see them returned to family homes loosehead

12:47pm Tue 27 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
roofspace wrote:
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country?
Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
You mean like the profits of British leyland?
but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?
The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled.
The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]You mean like the profits of British leyland? but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?[/p][/quote]The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled. The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt southy

12:59pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
roofspace wrote:
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country?
Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
You mean like the profits of British leyland?
but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?
The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled.
The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt
You're having a laugh aren't you?
Next you'll say British Rail was highly profitable & there's no reason why were subsidising rail travel now ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]You mean like the profits of British leyland? but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?[/p][/quote]The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled. The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt[/p][/quote]You're having a laugh aren't you? Next you'll say British Rail was highly profitable & there's no reason why were subsidising rail travel now ? loosehead

2:06pm Tue 27 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

no mention of demolishing probably the best 60s tower block built in southampton ,just half a mile away.
no mention of demolishing probably the best 60s tower block built in southampton ,just half a mile away. arthur dalyrimple

3:00pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
roofspace wrote:
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country?
Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
You mean like the profits of British leyland?
but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?
The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled.
The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt
Bonkers garbage.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]You mean like the profits of British leyland? but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?[/p][/quote]The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled. The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt[/p][/quote]Bonkers garbage. Shoong

3:52pm Tue 27 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
roofspace wrote:
Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country?
Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?
You mean like the profits of British leyland?
but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?
The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled.
The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt
Bonkers garbage.
.. of course.

But then, you remember the Soviet 5 Year Plans? Every one of them achieved much more than the target in well under 5 years.

Which makes it very strange that millions starved, shops were empty, queues were enormous, housing was substandard and industrial production fell well behind the west.

Just like southy's 'statistics', the actual statistics are irrelevant if only the ‘official truth’ is to be believed.

The totalitarian left live on – but have certainly come down a few pegs if they now have to rely on southy to spread the party line.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Is there anything left in Britain that is not now owned by a foreign country? Forget the smokescreen about being built by Warings it will be owned and run by "Bouygues, a French construction giant". Thought we would have learned when all the public utilities. transport, telecommunications, industry and the NHS were and are all being sold off to another country. All the profit that once went into the exchequer when they were owned by the country helped to pay for social services, education, community projects, day centres, youth centres maintenance of public buildings, parks and roads now goes into the pockets of the rich and their off-shore tax havens where they contribute NOTHING to society least of all in taxation unlike the rest of the nation. So how is good news and something to be proud of?[/p][/quote]You mean like the profits of British leyland? but then the other Nationalised Industries had to pay to support that company & it's strike a minute work force so exactly how much did the treasury get?[/p][/quote]The treasury got £millions from British Leyland and that was with the strikes about improving working conditions, BL was one of biggest exporters right up to the day it was denationalise and sold off, there export in numbers was larger than of cars manufactured in Britian since, and never have been equaled. The major part of the profits that BL made went towards paying off WWI loan, the debt that Capitalist ran up in the 1920's and 30's and paid the majority of the WWII loan, if it was not for the old nationalise industarys we would still be owing a great deal of these debt[/p][/quote]Bonkers garbage.[/p][/quote].. of course. But then, you remember the Soviet 5 Year Plans? Every one of them achieved much more than the target in well under 5 years. Which makes it very strange that millions starved, shops were empty, queues were enormous, housing was substandard and industrial production fell well behind the west. Just like southy's 'statistics', the actual statistics are irrelevant if only the ‘official truth’ is to be believed. The totalitarian left live on – but have certainly come down a few pegs if they now have to rely on southy to spread the party line. freefinker

4:27pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I bet they underestimate the car parking capacity!
Anyone who knows the area will know that there will be nowhere to park but the local streets where parking is a nightmare already.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I bet they underestimate the car parking capacity![/p][/quote]Anyone who knows the area will know that there will be nowhere to park but the local streets where parking is a nightmare already. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

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