RMT Union leader Bob Crow dies

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Rail union leader Bob Crow has died, it has been announced.

The Rail, Maritime and Transport union made the announcement ''with the deepest regret''.

A brief statement said: ''It is with the deepest regret that RMT has to confirm that our general secretary Bob Crow sadly passed away in the early hours of this morning.

''RMT would request that all media respect the privacy of the friends and family of Bob Crow at this distressing time.''

Mr Crow, who was 52, was one of the most high-profile, left-wing union leaders of his generation, sparking as much anger from passengers hit by rail and Tube strikes, as praise from his members for winning pay rises.

He was constantly involved in industrial disputes and campaigns and led a walkout by London Underground workers last month in a dispute over ticket office closures.

The straight-talking south Londoner was a passionate supporter of Millwall Football Club.

His death caused shockwaves in the trade union movement today.

Manuel Cortes, leader of the TSSA rail union, who stood on picket lines with Mr Crow during last month's Tube strike, said: ''Bob Crow was admired by his members and feared by employers, which is exactly how he liked it.

''It was a privilege to campaign and fight alongside him because he never gave an inch.''

Bob Crow's death shocked his fellow union leaders, and drew tributes from his adversaries as well.

TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady said: ''This is shocking news. Bob was an outstanding trade unionist, who tirelessly fought for his members, his industry and the wider trade union movement.

''He was always a good friend and comrade to me. We will miss him, and our thoughts are with his family and the RMT at this difficult time.''

Matt Wrack, leader of the Fire Brigades Union, said: ''Bob's passing is very sad news and the thoughts of firefighters will be with his family.

''Bob was a good friend to me personally and to the Fire Brigades Union as a whole.

''He was a strong leader for the labour movement and he'll be sorely missed by those who knew him.''

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: ''I'm shocked. Bob Crow was a fighter and a man of character.

''Whatever our political differences, and there were many, this is tragic news.

''Bob fought tirelessly for his beliefs and for his members.

''There can be absolutely no doubt that he played a big part in the success of the Tube, and he shared my goal to make transport in London an even greater success.

''It's a sad day.''

Manuel Cortes, leader of the TSSA rail union, said: ''Bob Crow was admired by his members and feared by employers, which is exactly how he liked it.

''It was a privilege to campaign and fight alongside him because he never gave an inch.''

Sir Peter Hendy, London's Transport Commissioner said: ''We are shocked by this terribly sad and unexpected news. Our thoughts are with Bob Crow's family, friends and all those he represented.''

Network Rail chief executive, Mark Carne, said: ''On behalf of everyone at Network Rail, I would like to offer my sincere condolences to Bob Crow's friends and family, as well as the many thousands of RMT members on whose behalf he worked so tirelessly.

''Bob possessed a deep understanding of the rail industry and his contribution to its success was significant, in particular the focus he gave to working with Network Rail on improving passenger and workforce safety.''

Grahame Smith, Scottish TUC general secretary, said: ''Everyone at STUC is deeply saddened by the passing of Bob Crow. Since 2002, Bob led his union with courage and distinction and will be greatly missed, not just by his own members but by trade unionists across Scotland and the whole of Britain.

''STUC echoes the request of RMT that everyone should respect the privacy of the friends and family of Bob Crow at this distressing time.''

Former mayor of London Ken Livingstone said Mr Crow fought for his members despite being demonised by the right wing press.

''He fought really hard for his members. The only working-class people who still have well-paid jobs in London are his members.''

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10:37am Tue 11 Mar 14

Scum buster says...

He was a very entertaining, divisive man. If you were a member of the RMT you would have revered him as a God, if you were a long suffering Metropolitan Commuter you would have had good reason to loathe him for his grandstanding, gesture politics, that regularly brought misery to millions. Whatever way you look at things this is a human tragedy for his family, friends, colleagues and RMT members. Britain has lost another great character, politically I thought he was a Dinosaur, a throw back to a previous and more turbulent time. But RIP Bob, we shall not know your like again, but many people will no doubt think that's not an altogether bad thing.
He was a very entertaining, divisive man. If you were a member of the RMT you would have revered him as a God, if you were a long suffering Metropolitan Commuter you would have had good reason to loathe him for his grandstanding, gesture politics, that regularly brought misery to millions. Whatever way you look at things this is a human tragedy for his family, friends, colleagues and RMT members. Britain has lost another great character, politically I thought he was a Dinosaur, a throw back to a previous and more turbulent time. But RIP Bob, we shall not know your like again, but many people will no doubt think that's not an altogether bad thing. Scum buster
  • Score: 18

10:45am Tue 11 Mar 14

elvisimo says...

Scum buster wrote:
He was a very entertaining, divisive man. If you were a member of the RMT you would have revered him as a God, if you were a long suffering Metropolitan Commuter you would have had good reason to loathe him for his grandstanding, gesture politics, that regularly brought misery to millions. Whatever way you look at things this is a human tragedy for his family, friends, colleagues and RMT members. Britain has lost another great character, politically I thought he was a Dinosaur, a throw back to a previous and more turbulent time. But RIP Bob, we shall not know your like again, but many people will no doubt think that's not an altogether bad thing.
pretty much sums it up.
[quote][p][bold]Scum buster[/bold] wrote: He was a very entertaining, divisive man. If you were a member of the RMT you would have revered him as a God, if you were a long suffering Metropolitan Commuter you would have had good reason to loathe him for his grandstanding, gesture politics, that regularly brought misery to millions. Whatever way you look at things this is a human tragedy for his family, friends, colleagues and RMT members. Britain has lost another great character, politically I thought he was a Dinosaur, a throw back to a previous and more turbulent time. But RIP Bob, we shall not know your like again, but many people will no doubt think that's not an altogether bad thing.[/p][/quote]pretty much sums it up. elvisimo
  • Score: 7

10:49am Tue 11 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

stood by the working class all the way , unlike the masses of turncoats today , he made a difference RIP
stood by the working class all the way , unlike the masses of turncoats today , he made a difference RIP Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -3

10:57am Tue 11 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him. hulla baloo
  • Score: 17

10:57am Tue 11 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

RMT members are among the dwindling groups of working class people who aren’t forced to work on zero hours contracts at sub-living wage levels. Bob Crow was vilified for that but he wasn’t the radical – the radicals were the politicians and their corporate paymasters who oversaw the complete casualisation of the labour market. I think Bob will come to be remembered as someone who fought for the right side and gave his all for it. We need more like him.
RMT members are among the dwindling groups of working class people who aren’t forced to work on zero hours contracts at sub-living wage levels. Bob Crow was vilified for that but he wasn’t the radical – the radicals were the politicians and their corporate paymasters who oversaw the complete casualisation of the labour market. I think Bob will come to be remembered as someone who fought for the right side and gave his all for it. We need more like him. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 11

11:27am Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

My own career (I recently retired after 48 and a bit years) was made tolerable thanks to his input, he (and the NUR/RMT Union) ensured my Condtions of Service were maintained, his work also ensured a sensible attitude between workers and management. People in my Profession always did their job (and still do) to the best of their ability, the pay was less than the responsibilty desired or deserved, but better than it would have been had our case not been fought over. However the deals worked out always ensured a decent rapport, which was to the benefit of the Management and Staff alike.

I have nothing but respect for the guy. RIP
My own career (I recently retired after 48 and a bit years) was made tolerable thanks to his input, he (and the NUR/RMT Union) ensured my Condtions of Service were maintained, his work also ensured a sensible attitude between workers and management. People in my Profession always did their job (and still do) to the best of their ability, the pay was less than the responsibilty desired or deserved, but better than it would have been had our case not been fought over. However the deals worked out always ensured a decent rapport, which was to the benefit of the Management and Staff alike. I have nothing but respect for the guy. RIP OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 8

11:43am Tue 11 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

A tremendous union leader who fought for his members and ensured that they were not screwed over.
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Sadly, the likes of him are seldom ever replaced.
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A sad day for the Trade Union movement
A tremendous union leader who fought for his members and ensured that they were not screwed over. . Sadly, the likes of him are seldom ever replaced. . A sad day for the Trade Union movement Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Maine Lobster says...

Bob Crow was the most effective trade union leader in the UK. His members have a lot to thank him for and he continuously fought for their jobs and service and against the politicians who sought to undermine his member's interests. His successor will have a lot to live up to. RIP Bob.
Bob Crow was the most effective trade union leader in the UK. His members have a lot to thank him for and he continuously fought for their jobs and service and against the politicians who sought to undermine his member's interests. His successor will have a lot to live up to. RIP Bob. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Andy Locks Heath says...

As Scambuster and OspreySaint said, he was a superb champion for the rights and conditions of his members. However most people including all paying customers on the rail networks are not RMT members, and they were used as the instrument of blackmail when any RMT issue came up. To take one recent example, TFL want to close many tube station ticket offices due to the immense impact of ticket machines, oyster cards and travel cards. Yet Bob Crow has brought the underground to a halt in a series of crippling strikes in opposition to the policy, so the travelling public end up paying twice - effectively subsidising the employment of RMT members and preventing redeployment into revenue protection. They paid once for the Oyster technology, but they are still paying for jobs that are no longer required. As Bob Crow would typically say , "that is not my problem". No Bob, it isn't --- it's mine and every other taxpayer's. The rail network like the NHS is not run solely for the benefit of its employees so I'll show you as much consideration now as you showed me over the last 15 years. Cheerio.
As Scambuster and OspreySaint said, he was a superb champion for the rights and conditions of his members. However most people including all paying customers on the rail networks are not RMT members, and they were used as the instrument of blackmail when any RMT issue came up. To take one recent example, TFL want to close many tube station ticket offices due to the immense impact of ticket machines, oyster cards and travel cards. Yet Bob Crow has brought the underground to a halt in a series of crippling strikes in opposition to the policy, so the travelling public end up paying twice - effectively subsidising the employment of RMT members and preventing redeployment into revenue protection. They paid once for the Oyster technology, but they are still paying for jobs that are no longer required. As Bob Crow would typically say , "that is not my problem". No Bob, it isn't --- it's mine and every other taxpayer's. The rail network like the NHS is not run solely for the benefit of its employees so I'll show you as much consideration now as you showed me over the last 15 years. Cheerio. Andy Locks Heath
  • Score: 8

12:06pm Tue 11 Mar 14

espanuel says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
My own career (I recently retired after 48 and a bit years) was made tolerable thanks to his input, he (and the NUR/RMT Union) ensured my Condtions of Service were maintained, his work also ensured a sensible attitude between workers and management. People in my Profession always did their job (and still do) to the best of their ability, the pay was less than the responsibilty desired or deserved, but better than it would have been had our case not been fought over. However the deals worked out always ensured a decent rapport, which was to the benefit of the Management and Staff alike.

I have nothing but respect for the guy. RIP
Agree with you 100%. If it wasn't for the unions and I know as I was a steward for many years you wouldn't have a forty hour or less week/ no holidays and also bank holidays would be flat time and no sick pay. As you say conditions of service have totally changed since about 1960. I was a TGWU steward when the HSE came into effect in 1973 and it became law that stewards became safety reps.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: My own career (I recently retired after 48 and a bit years) was made tolerable thanks to his input, he (and the NUR/RMT Union) ensured my Condtions of Service were maintained, his work also ensured a sensible attitude between workers and management. People in my Profession always did their job (and still do) to the best of their ability, the pay was less than the responsibilty desired or deserved, but better than it would have been had our case not been fought over. However the deals worked out always ensured a decent rapport, which was to the benefit of the Management and Staff alike. I have nothing but respect for the guy. RIP[/p][/quote]Agree with you 100%. If it wasn't for the unions and I know as I was a steward for many years you wouldn't have a forty hour or less week/ no holidays and also bank holidays would be flat time and no sick pay. As you say conditions of service have totally changed since about 1960. I was a TGWU steward when the HSE came into effect in 1973 and it became law that stewards became safety reps. espanuel
  • Score: 1

12:07pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Shoong says...

I suppose after the reaction of Baroness Thatcher's death it's ok to have a free for all on this then..?

Or would that be disrespectful?
I suppose after the reaction of Baroness Thatcher's death it's ok to have a free for all on this then..? Or would that be disrespectful? Shoong
  • Score: 4

12:12pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: -12

12:14pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
As Scambuster and OspreySaint said, he was a superb champion for the rights and conditions of his members. However most people including all paying customers on the rail networks are not RMT members, and they were used as the instrument of blackmail when any RMT issue came up. To take one recent example, TFL want to close many tube station ticket offices due to the immense impact of ticket machines, oyster cards and travel cards. Yet Bob Crow has brought the underground to a halt in a series of crippling strikes in opposition to the policy, so the travelling public end up paying twice - effectively subsidising the employment of RMT members and preventing redeployment into revenue protection. They paid once for the Oyster technology, but they are still paying for jobs that are no longer required. As Bob Crow would typically say , "that is not my problem". No Bob, it isn't --- it's mine and every other taxpayer's. The rail network like the NHS is not run solely for the benefit of its employees so I'll show you as much consideration now as you showed me over the last 15 years. Cheerio.
There was only one real dispute that I was involved in, it was not the fault of the Union, it was not the fault of the Management, it all came about by a Tory Government interference in a Pay issue, it wasn't settled until the Government pulled their noses out of the trough and the Unions and Management got down to talking through a suitable solution. It is easy to blame the wrong people if you haven't got the full facts. The only people that suffered were the customers who in fact at the time actually gave the workers their backing and support throughout the disruption.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: As Scambuster and OspreySaint said, he was a superb champion for the rights and conditions of his members. However most people including all paying customers on the rail networks are not RMT members, and they were used as the instrument of blackmail when any RMT issue came up. To take one recent example, TFL want to close many tube station ticket offices due to the immense impact of ticket machines, oyster cards and travel cards. Yet Bob Crow has brought the underground to a halt in a series of crippling strikes in opposition to the policy, so the travelling public end up paying twice - effectively subsidising the employment of RMT members and preventing redeployment into revenue protection. They paid once for the Oyster technology, but they are still paying for jobs that are no longer required. As Bob Crow would typically say , "that is not my problem". No Bob, it isn't --- it's mine and every other taxpayer's. The rail network like the NHS is not run solely for the benefit of its employees so I'll show you as much consideration now as you showed me over the last 15 years. Cheerio.[/p][/quote]There was only one real dispute that I was involved in, it was not the fault of the Union, it was not the fault of the Management, it all came about by a Tory Government interference in a Pay issue, it wasn't settled until the Government pulled their noses out of the trough and the Unions and Management got down to talking through a suitable solution. It is easy to blame the wrong people if you haven't got the full facts. The only people that suffered were the customers who in fact at the time actually gave the workers their backing and support throughout the disruption. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

12:21pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
RMT members are among the dwindling groups of working class people who aren’t forced to work on zero hours contracts at sub-living wage levels. Bob Crow was vilified for that but he wasn’t the radical – the radicals were the politicians and their corporate paymasters who oversaw the complete casualisation of the labour market. I think Bob will come to be remembered as someone who fought for the right side and gave his all for it. We need more like him.
In my ignorance I was unaware of the zero hours contract situation, although in theory some of this legislation is sound, it has been undermined by misuse and corruption, little wonder Unions are fighting an uphill battle against it. I first came across it by coincidence yesterday when I read a report on the BBC News site :
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-scotland-26
518275
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: RMT members are among the dwindling groups of working class people who aren’t forced to work on zero hours contracts at sub-living wage levels. Bob Crow was vilified for that but he wasn’t the radical – the radicals were the politicians and their corporate paymasters who oversaw the complete casualisation of the labour market. I think Bob will come to be remembered as someone who fought for the right side and gave his all for it. We need more like him.[/p][/quote]In my ignorance I was unaware of the zero hours contract situation, although in theory some of this legislation is sound, it has been undermined by misuse and corruption, little wonder Unions are fighting an uphill battle against it. I first came across it by coincidence yesterday when I read a report on the BBC News site : http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-scotland-26 518275 OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -7

12:24pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Brite Spark says...

It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.
It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages. Brite Spark
  • Score: 8

12:43pm Tue 11 Mar 14

elvisimo says...

Brite Spark wrote:
It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.
very true. Through strikes and threats he seemed to manage to get tube drivers (not exactly "driver" not exactly skilled) to north of £55k per year for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday. All for paying people a living wage but not overpaying the unskilled. He got there through bullying, blackmail and striking with no real mandate (30% turnout on the last strike).

Very sorry for his family, losing a loved one is very difficult but I do hope we don't see his like again.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.[/p][/quote]very true. Through strikes and threats he seemed to manage to get tube drivers (not exactly "driver" not exactly skilled) to north of £55k per year for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday. All for paying people a living wage but not overpaying the unskilled. He got there through bullying, blackmail and striking with no real mandate (30% turnout on the last strike). Very sorry for his family, losing a loved one is very difficult but I do hope we don't see his like again. elvisimo
  • Score: 9

12:48pm Tue 11 Mar 14

S!monOn says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's? S!monOn
  • Score: 13

1:45pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Brite Spark wrote:
It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.
A predictable and very narrow minded view, you think that there are no disreputable managements that want to squeeze every penny out of their employees and giving nothing in return? Expecting them to work with lousy conditions of work, well these are the people that don't get the best out of their work force. Every industrial dispute that ever was, was down to intransigence from both sides. Only fair and sensible negotiation ever gets a satisfactory outcome. you only ever see one side of the argument it seems.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.[/p][/quote]A predictable and very narrow minded view, you think that there are no disreputable managements that want to squeeze every penny out of their employees and giving nothing in return? Expecting them to work with lousy conditions of work, well these are the people that don't get the best out of their work force. Every industrial dispute that ever was, was down to intransigence from both sides. Only fair and sensible negotiation ever gets a satisfactory outcome. you only ever see one side of the argument it seems. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -12

1:49pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

S!monOn wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?
I didn't like Thatcher or what she stood for in general, I still respected her for her views and her right to hold them, they just didn't match my own. The Falklands War showed her best side, the Miners dispute her worst. As you say in Death there is no difference, if you cannot respect the living there is little chance that you can show respect for the dead, that is a sad fact of 21st Century life.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?[/p][/quote]I didn't like Thatcher or what she stood for in general, I still respected her for her views and her right to hold them, they just didn't match my own. The Falklands War showed her best side, the Miners dispute her worst. As you say in Death there is no difference, if you cannot respect the living there is little chance that you can show respect for the dead, that is a sad fact of 21st Century life. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 7

1:51pm Tue 11 Mar 14

orderoutofchaos says...

elvisimo wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.
very true. Through strikes and threats he seemed to manage to get tube drivers (not exactly "driver" not exactly skilled) to north of £55k per year for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday. All for paying people a living wage but not overpaying the unskilled. He got there through bullying, blackmail and striking with no real mandate (30% turnout on the last strike). Very sorry for his family, losing a loved one is very difficult but I do hope we don't see his like again.
What a perfect way to show your sympathy- by moaning about train disruptions. The man died at 52 and left a young family yet you use the oppurtunity to moan about how much a tube driver earns?

Grow up you pathetic waste of oxygen.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.[/p][/quote]very true. Through strikes and threats he seemed to manage to get tube drivers (not exactly "driver" not exactly skilled) to north of £55k per year for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday. All for paying people a living wage but not overpaying the unskilled. He got there through bullying, blackmail and striking with no real mandate (30% turnout on the last strike). Very sorry for his family, losing a loved one is very difficult but I do hope we don't see his like again.[/p][/quote]What a perfect way to show your sympathy- by moaning about train disruptions. The man died at 52 and left a young family yet you use the oppurtunity to moan about how much a tube driver earns? Grow up you pathetic waste of oxygen. orderoutofchaos
  • Score: -8

2:13pm Tue 11 Mar 14

rightway says...

Deepest sympathy to all the family and friends of Bob Crow, a man who stood, and never wavered for what he believed in.
If today’s political leaders showed an ounce of his honesty and integrity, this country would be a better place.
Deepest sympathy to all the family and friends of Bob Crow, a man who stood, and never wavered for what he believed in. If today’s political leaders showed an ounce of his honesty and integrity, this country would be a better place. rightway
  • Score: -6

2:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
Being a middle aged man with 4 children, an old man or a young man, that is irrelevant. It is the manner,his attitude and his words regarding Margaret Thatchers death that I was referring to.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]Being a middle aged man with 4 children, an old man or a young man, that is irrelevant. It is the manner,his attitude and his words regarding Margaret Thatchers death that I was referring to. hulla baloo
  • Score: 12

2:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

A brilliant man, a fantastic orator and a principled Union leader who was NEVER scared to tell it like it IS, regardless of whom it might "offend".

Without boring you with too much detail, it was hearing Bob Crow verbally destroy the warmonger Bliar on the radio one day back in 2004 when the RMT withdrew funding from the fake 'Labour' Party that was one of the main stimulii which encouraged me to get more involved in TU activity.

Bob demonstrated what most TU activists already know but find it difficult to convince their membership of, namely, the FACT that the bosses respect only unity, strength and the willingness to strike.

Only despicable little tory lickspittles, the vile frontmen for Big Business and the BNP will express any 'joy' at this all too premature passing of a true, British, working class hero.

My condolences to his family and friends. RIP Bob.
A brilliant man, a fantastic orator and a principled Union leader who was NEVER scared to tell it like it IS, regardless of whom it might "offend". Without boring you with too much detail, it was hearing Bob Crow verbally destroy the warmonger Bliar on the radio one day back in 2004 when the RMT withdrew funding from the fake 'Labour' Party that was one of the main stimulii which encouraged me to get more involved in TU activity. Bob demonstrated what most TU activists already know but find it difficult to convince their membership of, namely, the FACT that the bosses respect only unity, strength and the willingness to strike. Only despicable little tory lickspittles, the vile frontmen for Big Business and the BNP will express any 'joy' at this all too premature passing of a true, British, working class hero. My condolences to his family and friends. RIP Bob. Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: -2

2:44pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
Being a middle aged man with 4 children, an old man or a young man, that is irrelevant. It is the manner,his attitude and his words regarding Margaret Thatchers death that I was referring to.
He certainly was not alone in this attitude though, many agreed with him, that is their right, you would deny the right of people to have an opinion that doesn't match your own perhaps? The "rot in hell" comment was a bit over the top, but emotions can overide sensibilty sometimes, and no doubt many will hold the same views and say the same about Bob.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]Being a middle aged man with 4 children, an old man or a young man, that is irrelevant. It is the manner,his attitude and his words regarding Margaret Thatchers death that I was referring to.[/p][/quote]He certainly was not alone in this attitude though, many agreed with him, that is their right, you would deny the right of people to have an opinion that doesn't match your own perhaps? The "rot in hell" comment was a bit over the top, but emotions can overide sensibilty sometimes, and no doubt many will hold the same views and say the same about Bob. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Old Man of the Sea says...

Might I suggest that all contributors to this thread watch Peter Sellers' "I'm all right, Jack"
Might I suggest that all contributors to this thread watch Peter Sellers' "I'm all right, Jack" Old Man of the Sea
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Tue 11 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
Being a middle aged man with 4 children, an old man or a young man, that is irrelevant. It is the manner,his attitude and his words regarding Margaret Thatchers death that I was referring to.
He certainly was not alone in this attitude though, many agreed with him, that is their right, you would deny the right of people to have an opinion that doesn't match your own perhaps? The "rot in hell" comment was a bit over the top, but emotions can overide sensibilty sometimes, and no doubt many will hold the same views and say the same about Bob.
I agree, but to talk about somebody in that manner, after their death, is not appropriate and shows the level of the real person.
Regardless of whether you agreed with that person or not, respect should be shown.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]Being a middle aged man with 4 children, an old man or a young man, that is irrelevant. It is the manner,his attitude and his words regarding Margaret Thatchers death that I was referring to.[/p][/quote]He certainly was not alone in this attitude though, many agreed with him, that is their right, you would deny the right of people to have an opinion that doesn't match your own perhaps? The "rot in hell" comment was a bit over the top, but emotions can overide sensibilty sometimes, and no doubt many will hold the same views and say the same about Bob.[/p][/quote]I agree, but to talk about somebody in that manner, after their death, is not appropriate and shows the level of the real person. Regardless of whether you agreed with that person or not, respect should be shown. hulla baloo
  • Score: 6

3:02pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
Might I suggest that all contributors to this thread watch Peter Sellers' "I'm all right, Jack"
Or "Made in Dagenham"?
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: Might I suggest that all contributors to this thread watch Peter Sellers' "I'm all right, Jack"[/p][/quote]Or "Made in Dagenham"? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

4:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

derek james says...

he did an interview this week and thought mp's deserved a pay rise that's how out of touch he was.probably a very nice bloke in his private life
he did an interview this week and thought mp's deserved a pay rise that's how out of touch he was.probably a very nice bloke in his private life derek james
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Santa Retfordia says...

S!monOn wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?
Because Thatcher was a very old lady by the time she died. Bob was a middle aged man with a wife and young family and was at the peak of his professional powers.

Surely you can see how, setting politics aside, this is very different?

It would be more akin to someone like Boris Johnson dying.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?[/p][/quote]Because Thatcher was a very old lady by the time she died. Bob was a middle aged man with a wife and young family and was at the peak of his professional powers. Surely you can see how, setting politics aside, this is very different? It would be more akin to someone like Boris Johnson dying. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: -1

5:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

elvisimo says...

orderoutofchaos wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Brite Spark wrote: It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.
very true. Through strikes and threats he seemed to manage to get tube drivers (not exactly "driver" not exactly skilled) to north of £55k per year for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday. All for paying people a living wage but not overpaying the unskilled. He got there through bullying, blackmail and striking with no real mandate (30% turnout on the last strike). Very sorry for his family, losing a loved one is very difficult but I do hope we don't see his like again.
What a perfect way to show your sympathy- by moaning about train disruptions. The man died at 52 and left a young family yet you use the oppurtunity to moan about how much a tube driver earns?

Grow up you pathetic waste of oxygen.
use your brain. do you think this story would have even made the paper if he wasn't the divisive character that we have all come to know.
Do you seriously think that anyone that polarised opinions as much as he did would generate any other form or response?
I think perhaps it could be you who needs to either grow up or gain an understanding as to how the world works.
[quote][p][bold]orderoutofchaos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: It's largely due to him, and people with his mind set, that transport workers can disrupt and frustrate commuters (who DO want to go to work) and take dozens of 'sickies' or partake in ridiculous strike action, particularly on Friday's and Monday's and holiday periods each year, without fear of reprisal from the people that pay their wages.[/p][/quote]very true. Through strikes and threats he seemed to manage to get tube drivers (not exactly "driver" not exactly skilled) to north of £55k per year for a 35 hour week and 6 weeks holiday. All for paying people a living wage but not overpaying the unskilled. He got there through bullying, blackmail and striking with no real mandate (30% turnout on the last strike). Very sorry for his family, losing a loved one is very difficult but I do hope we don't see his like again.[/p][/quote]What a perfect way to show your sympathy- by moaning about train disruptions. The man died at 52 and left a young family yet you use the oppurtunity to moan about how much a tube driver earns? Grow up you pathetic waste of oxygen.[/p][/quote]use your brain. do you think this story would have even made the paper if he wasn't the divisive character that we have all come to know. Do you seriously think that anyone that polarised opinions as much as he did would generate any other form or response? I think perhaps it could be you who needs to either grow up or gain an understanding as to how the world works. elvisimo
  • Score: 6

5:45pm Tue 11 Mar 14

rightway says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Why do you think it uncharitable to speak the truth just because someone dies.
People can say what they want , Bob Crow believed in free speech, Something Thatcher always tried to ban.
Where she tried to crush the ordinary man, he defended them.
So let’s stop comparing this good man to this evil woman.
R.I.P. Bob
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Why do you think it uncharitable to speak the truth just because someone dies. People can say what they want , Bob Crow believed in free speech, Something Thatcher always tried to ban. Where she tried to crush the ordinary man, he defended them. So let’s stop comparing this good man to this evil woman. R.I.P. Bob rightway
  • Score: 0

5:55pm Tue 11 Mar 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

I really liked the cut of this man's gib. Although I didn't agree with some of his political views, I admired his refreshing honesty, his propensity to speak his mind and his unashamed working class credentials. He was an avowed communist, grandson of a famous east-end boxer and a die-hard Millwall fan . I wish there were more trade unionists like him.
I really liked the cut of this man's gib. Although I didn't agree with some of his political views, I admired his refreshing honesty, his propensity to speak his mind and his unashamed working class credentials. He was an avowed communist, grandson of a famous east-end boxer and a die-hard Millwall fan [apparently he had a portrait of Terry Hurlock in his private office]. I wish there were more trade unionists like him. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Tue 11 Mar 14

biggus2 says...

His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!!

RIP
His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!! RIP biggus2
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
Might I suggest that all contributors to this thread watch Peter Sellers' "I'm all right, Jack"
I get the feeling that the old adage of...

"The working class can kiss my a55, I've got the foreman's job at last"

may well apply to you, mate.
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: Might I suggest that all contributors to this thread watch Peter Sellers' "I'm all right, Jack"[/p][/quote]I get the feeling that the old adage of... "The working class can kiss my a55, I've got the foreman's job at last" may well apply to you, mate. Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: 1

8:30pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

biggus2 wrote:
His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!!

RIP
His partners house actually , dimwit.
[quote][p][bold]biggus2[/bold] wrote: His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!! RIP[/p][/quote]His partners house actually , dimwit. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 2

9:44pm Tue 11 Mar 14

derek james says...

probably within 10 years tube trains will be driverless , the light docklands railway already is
probably within 10 years tube trains will be driverless , the light docklands railway already is derek james
  • Score: 2

10:09pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.
Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.
I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?
Because Thatcher was a very old lady by the time she died. Bob was a middle aged man with a wife and young family and was at the peak of his professional powers.

Surely you can see how, setting politics aside, this is very different?

It would be more akin to someone like Boris Johnson dying.
Yet Boris Johnson has been on the news praising him, he may have been an opponent but most people seem to respect him even if they did disagree with his views.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Every death is regrettable but he was perhaps the most uncharitable when he said about Margaret Thatcher "I wont shed one single tear over her death," he added. "She destroyed the NHS and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell." Many people will think the same of him.[/p][/quote]Bob was a middle-aged man with a wife and four children. I think in human terms this is a very different thing to Thatcher's death.[/p][/quote]I'm not quite sure what you mean.... did Thatcher not have family? And, in human terms, why is her death different to Bob Crow's?[/p][/quote]Because Thatcher was a very old lady by the time she died. Bob was a middle aged man with a wife and young family and was at the peak of his professional powers. Surely you can see how, setting politics aside, this is very different? It would be more akin to someone like Boris Johnson dying.[/p][/quote]Yet Boris Johnson has been on the news praising him, he may have been an opponent but most people seem to respect him even if they did disagree with his views. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

10:12pm Tue 11 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

derek james wrote:
probably within 10 years tube trains will be driverless , the light docklands railway already is
Isn't it a pity the UK Government isn't being replaced by robots.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: probably within 10 years tube trains will be driverless , the light docklands railway already is[/p][/quote]Isn't it a pity the UK Government isn't being replaced by robots. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
biggus2 wrote:
His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!!

RIP
His partners house actually , dimwit.
Rather strange that he recently said in an interview that he was the only one in his street of nine house that paid rent as opposed to the others whose rent was covered by benefits payments. Why didn't he say that his partner paid the rent?
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biggus2[/bold] wrote: His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!! RIP[/p][/quote]His partners house actually , dimwit.[/p][/quote]Rather strange that he recently said in an interview that he was the only one in his street of nine house that paid rent as opposed to the others whose rent was covered by benefits payments. Why didn't he say that his partner paid the rent? Torchie1
  • Score: -2

11:09pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
biggus2 wrote:
His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!!

RIP
His partners house actually , dimwit.
Rather strange that he recently said in an interview that he was the only one in his street of nine house that paid rent as opposed to the others whose rent was covered by benefits payments. Why didn't he say that his partner paid the rent?
Quite a timely reference to Bob Crow 'refusing to leave his council flat' when he took over the RMT made by Ken Livingston on this evenings Newsnight programme.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biggus2[/bold] wrote: His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!! RIP[/p][/quote]His partners house actually , dimwit.[/p][/quote]Rather strange that he recently said in an interview that he was the only one in his street of nine house that paid rent as opposed to the others whose rent was covered by benefits payments. Why didn't he say that his partner paid the rent?[/p][/quote]Quite a timely reference to Bob Crow 'refusing to leave his council flat' when he took over the RMT made by Ken Livingston on this evenings Newsnight programme. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

10:50am Wed 12 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
biggus2 wrote:
His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!!

RIP
His partners house actually , dimwit.
Rather strange that he recently said in an interview that he was the only one in his street of nine house that paid rent as opposed to the others whose rent was covered by benefits payments. Why didn't he say that his partner paid the rent?
What is your problem here? I cannot see what you are trying to say, what exactly is the issue?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biggus2[/bold] wrote: His was a true Socialist living in a council house and earning £140,000 per year. Socialist!!!!!! RIP[/p][/quote]His partners house actually , dimwit.[/p][/quote]Rather strange that he recently said in an interview that he was the only one in his street of nine house that paid rent as opposed to the others whose rent was covered by benefits payments. Why didn't he say that his partner paid the rent?[/p][/quote]What is your problem here? I cannot see what you are trying to say, what exactly is the issue? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

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