Southampton to get new ferry terminal in £124m "Growth Deal" that will bring jobs, homes and better roads

Andover Advertiser: 17,000 new homes will be built under the scheme 17,000 new homes will be built under the scheme

HAMPSHIRE is set to receive a massive £360m boost in a deal that aims to create thousands of jobs and new homes and revitalise the economy.

Major plans unveiled today include a new ferry terminal in Southampton, major improvements to Hampshire's road network and state-of-the-art facilities at two of the county's top colleges.

Funding for proposed new roads will help pave the way for 17,000 homes to be built in the region.

The Solent Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) is being given £124m of Government money to spend over the next five years.

But ministers say the huge project could result in Hampshire reaping a total of £360m in private and public investment.

The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions.

The Daily Echo revealed in April that Solent LEP had submitted a bid for £200m.

Today's launch by the Government will include a series of ministerial trips to parts of the UK that are set to benefit, including the Solent area.

Business secretary Michael Fallon is due to visit Southampton's Red Funnel ferry terminal, which is due to move to a new site in the docks.

Its relocation will release land at the centre of a £450m plan to transform Southampton's waterfront, including Mayflower Park and the derelict Royal Pier.

As reported in the Daily Echo, the scheme could include a luxury hotel, a marina and a new purpose-built home for the PSP Southampton Boat Show.

Andover Advertiser: Are new plans for city waterfront a missed opportunity?

Planners have already approved proposals for a 130ft Spitfire monument to be built in Mayflower Park.

Under the Solent Growth scheme £46m will be released in the first year as part of the Government's on-going commitment to the area and a further £78.8m will be handed over from 2016-2017 onwards.

Some of the money will be used to fund a new road at Whiteley, making it possible to build 3,500 homes in the north of the area.

Other sites earmarked for housing include the proposed new community of Welborne, north of Fareham.

Improvements will also be carried out to roads on the Gosport and Fareham peninsula. Stubbington will get a new bypass and changes will be made to the Peel Common roundabout in a further bid to ease daily gridlock.

A new science, technology and engineering block will be built at Brockenhurst College and Eastleigh College will also be upgraded.

A Cabinet Office spokesman said the huge investment in the Solent area could create as many as 5,000 jobs.

Cllr Sean Woodward, leader of Fareham Borough Council and a director of Solent LEP said: “I'm absolutely delighted.

“It's been a long, hard-fought process. You don't get everything you ask for in life but we've got more than half the sum we bid for, which is wonderful news.

“It's a tremendous boost for the area.”

Cllr Royston Smith, leader of the Conservative group on Southampton City Council, said: “It shows the Government is keen to get the economy going as well devolving power, money and responsibility to the LEPs, which are dominated by business representatives rather than councillors.”

Hampshire will also benefit from the Government's decision to hand £118m to the Enterprise M3 LEP.

Most of the money will be spent in Surrey but improvements will be made to the A340 near Basingstoke to cut congestion in the area.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: “Growth Deals are a crucial part of our long-term programme to secure Britain's future.

“For too long our economy has been too London-focused and too centralised.

“Growth Deals will help change all that. They are about firing up our great towns and cities, boosting local economies and growth across the country.

“This historic deal means real change with for transport in the area including citing journey times from Gosport to Portsmouth and improving the ferry terminals between Southampton and the Isle of Wight.

“It will also bring forward thousands of new homes.

“By trusting local people, backing businesses and investing in infrastructure, skills and housing, we can create thousands of new jobs “And that means more economic security, peace of mind and a brighter future for hardworking people across the south.”

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg added: “We're putting power and money in the hands of people across the Solent who know how to spend it best.”

Gary Jeffries, chairman of Solent LEP, also hailed the scheme.

“Today's announcement will enable us to begin the process of transforming the Solent economy, bringing forward new homes and jobs at strategic sites, enhancing transport connectivity across the Solent, growing our skills base and supporting business growth.”

Mr Jeffries said the deal would help the LEP secure its long-term goal of securing 15,500 jobs and 24,000 homes in the Solent area.

What is the LEP?

Solent LEP was formed after the Government offered local areas the opportunity to take control of their economic development.

The locally owned partnership between businesses and local authorities plays a central role in determining economic priorities and creating jobs.

It was the first LEP in the country to have a fully-elected board of directors.

They include Doug Morrison, retired port director of Associated British Ports, and Russell Kew, chief executive of ferry operator Wightlink.

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5:46am Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

the tories investing & creating jobs in the city I thought Labour said they were penalising the city for being Labour controlled?
the tories investing & creating jobs in the city I thought Labour said they were penalising the city for being Labour controlled? loosehead
  • Score: 3

6:06am Mon 7 Jul 14

aldermoorboy says...

Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 3

7:43am Mon 7 Jul 14

Micle1974 says...

The A34 the M3 and the M27 can not cope with current levels of commuter traffic during "rush hour" so let's hope they really do something to improve the motorway network!!!
The A34 the M3 and the M27 can not cope with current levels of commuter traffic during "rush hour" so let's hope they really do something to improve the motorway network!!! Micle1974
  • Score: 44

8:19am Mon 7 Jul 14

Zeo says...

New homes and new roads ... where's the transport options? No Trains, No Buses, No Nothing?!?!?! SCC don't plan things at all well...
New homes and new roads ... where's the transport options? No Trains, No Buses, No Nothing?!?!?! SCC don't plan things at all well... Zeo
  • Score: 24

8:48am Mon 7 Jul 14

Forest Resident says...

Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre? Forest Resident
  • Score: 40

8:59am Mon 7 Jul 14

Crazywolf says...

Hampshire used to be a nice county to live in. Soon it will just be a nice housing estate!
Hampshire used to be a nice county to live in. Soon it will just be a nice housing estate! Crazywolf
  • Score: 29

9:38am Mon 7 Jul 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was...
In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride.

I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was... In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride. I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 8

9:40am Mon 7 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

What, no negative rubbish from the fool southy. Poor, left wing, chip on shoulder, living in the past, misguided individual. Bet he hates all this good news.
What, no negative rubbish from the fool southy. Poor, left wing, chip on shoulder, living in the past, misguided individual. Bet he hates all this good news. miltonarcher
  • Score: -1

10:09am Mon 7 Jul 14

WoolstonSean says...

miltonarcher wrote:
What, no negative rubbish from the fool southy. Poor, left wing, chip on shoulder, living in the past, misguided individual. Bet he hates all this good news.
Don't worry Southy will surely have some negative comments to make once he is up and about the miserable deluded idiot he is!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: What, no negative rubbish from the fool southy. Poor, left wing, chip on shoulder, living in the past, misguided individual. Bet he hates all this good news.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Southy will surely have some negative comments to make once he is up and about the miserable deluded idiot he is! WoolstonSean
  • Score: 2

10:43am Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Crazywolf wrote:
Hampshire used to be a nice county to live in. Soon it will just be a nice housing estate!
I don't know about "nice!"
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: Hampshire used to be a nice county to live in. Soon it will just be a nice housing estate![/p][/quote]I don't know about "nice!" OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

11:10am Mon 7 Jul 14

Forest Resident says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Forest Resident wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was... In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride. I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.
I concur, its very short sighted indeed, and completely misses or wilfully ignores the fact that regardless of how many available parking spaces there are in the city centre if the roads infrastructure is insufficient to get drivers vehicles to them then the parking is clearly in the wrong place. Yes a Park & Ride needs investment but nothing substantial in the grand scheme of things, to say it 'won't work' is simply wrong, look at how cheap and how successful the same schemes are being run in Winchester/Portsmout
h/Salisbury and practically every major town/city that surrounds Southampton! Get your heads out of the sand SCC and actually do someting to bring down the vehicle numbers in the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was... In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride. I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.[/p][/quote]I concur, its very short sighted indeed, and completely misses or wilfully ignores the fact that regardless of how many available parking spaces there are in the city centre if the roads infrastructure is insufficient to get drivers vehicles to them then the parking is clearly in the wrong place. Yes a Park & Ride needs investment but nothing substantial in the grand scheme of things, to say it 'won't work' is simply wrong, look at how cheap and how successful the same schemes are being run in Winchester/Portsmout h/Salisbury and practically every major town/city that surrounds Southampton! Get your heads out of the sand SCC and actually do someting to bring down the vehicle numbers in the city centre. Forest Resident
  • Score: 6

11:21am Mon 7 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Thats great news ......
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......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
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Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
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Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

11:27am Mon 7 Jul 14

acid drop says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges. acid drop
  • Score: 2

11:36am Mon 7 Jul 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Lots of projects, how many will grind to a halt when the money runs out, I seem to remember similar Tory promises before.
Lots of projects, how many will grind to a halt when the money runs out, I seem to remember similar Tory promises before. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

11:55am Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
True Lone.

You got to love this bit, "The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions. "

This not handing power to the Councils, but handing power to body like the Solent LEP where the private sector will have the biggest say in matters and will be telling councils what they can and can not do.

This is all part of the Maastricht Treaty that came into force 1st November 1993 which allowed for the Lisbon Treatry to be enforce on us on 1st January 2012, the idea in the end we be do away with local councils as a local govern body, We are slowly moving away from a democatic society to a central body dictatorship a dystopia society.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]True Lone. You got to love this bit, "The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions. " This not handing power to the Councils, but handing power to body like the Solent LEP where the private sector will have the biggest say in matters and will be telling councils what they can and can not do. This is all part of the Maastricht Treaty that came into force 1st November 1993 which allowed for the Lisbon Treatry to be enforce on us on 1st January 2012, the idea in the end we be do away with local councils as a local govern body, We are slowly moving away from a democatic society to a central body dictatorship a dystopia society. southy
  • Score: -16

11:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

Zexagon says...

acid drop wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.
Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?
[quote][p][bold]acid drop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.[/p][/quote]Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse? Zexagon
  • Score: 4

11:57am Mon 7 Jul 14

timjim says...

It all looks very nice - however, it will just not work. People want bars and restaurants by the water, and they want to sit there in the sun. However they do not want to go to these places until the afteroon, which is a problem, because by then, the sun has diappeared behind the very buildngs they want to sit outside. The restaurants that have all failed at Town Quay are proof of this. Honestly, people like outside living in the sun. Not in the shade.
It all looks very nice - however, it will just not work. People want bars and restaurants by the water, and they want to sit there in the sun. However they do not want to go to these places until the afteroon, which is a problem, because by then, the sun has diappeared behind the very buildngs they want to sit outside. The restaurants that have all failed at Town Quay are proof of this. Honestly, people like outside living in the sun. Not in the shade. timjim
  • Score: 8

11:59am Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

Zexagon wrote:
acid drop wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.
Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?
Use your bank or credit card is what they want you to do, gives the financiers more control over your life.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acid drop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.[/p][/quote]Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?[/p][/quote]Use your bank or credit card is what they want you to do, gives the financiers more control over your life. southy
  • Score: -13

12:03pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Lots of projects, how many will grind to a halt when the money runs out, I seem to remember similar Tory promises before.
Sounds very nice don't it, till you dig deeper into it, 17000 new home are well needed and more for southern hampshire, 5000 new jobs wonderful but by the time contruction is finish they will only be a few hundred jobs and poorly paid ones at that and long working hours.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Lots of projects, how many will grind to a halt when the money runs out, I seem to remember similar Tory promises before.[/p][/quote]Sounds very nice don't it, till you dig deeper into it, 17000 new home are well needed and more for southern hampshire, 5000 new jobs wonderful but by the time contruction is finish they will only be a few hundred jobs and poorly paid ones at that and long working hours. southy
  • Score: -12

12:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate. Torchie1
  • Score: 9

12:08pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

Why a Spitfire Statue?!
Why a Spitfire Statue?! George4th
  • Score: -9

12:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

Zexagon wrote:
acid drop wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.
Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?
The councils excuse is probably that they trust you to keep a few appropriate coins in your pocket (or car) when you know that you're going to use a parking meter. Think ahead, save money!
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acid drop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.[/p][/quote]Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?[/p][/quote]The councils excuse is probably that they trust you to keep a few appropriate coins in your pocket (or car) when you know that you're going to use a parking meter. Think ahead, save money! Torchie1
  • Score: 4

12:13pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?" George4th
  • Score: 8

12:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Zexagon wrote:
acid drop wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.
Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?
It is a money generation scheme. When I went to school it was called theft. I would love to see someone challenge this in the courts!
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acid drop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]The council don't want a park and ride, they want drivers to bring their cars into town so they can be charged rip-off parking charges.[/p][/quote]Has anyone ever explained why parking machines don't give change? In this day & age is must be easy. What is the councils excuse?[/p][/quote]It is a money generation scheme. When I went to school it was called theft. I would love to see someone challenge this in the courts! forest hump
  • Score: 6

12:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

forest hump says...

The A-326 has to be among the busiest Hampshire roads. See no plans for dual carriageway? Probably too many dung beetles.
The A-326 has to be among the busiest Hampshire roads. See no plans for dual carriageway? Probably too many dung beetles. forest hump
  • Score: 1

12:21pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
They lowered Unemployment down to 1.6 million in total using Thatchers way of counting Unemployment, (this government can even equal 1 small section down to that number and that with breaking it up into more groups)
They paid off the Last part of the World War 2 debt, some thing that the Torys all ways added on to, to hide the fact they was borrowing money)
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]They lowered Unemployment down to 1.6 million in total using Thatchers way of counting Unemployment, (this government can even equal 1 small section down to that number and that with breaking it up into more groups) They paid off the Last part of the World War 2 debt, some thing that the Torys all ways added on to, to hide the fact they was borrowing money) southy
  • Score: -12

12:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
True Lone.

You got to love this bit, "The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions. "

This not handing power to the Councils, but handing power to body like the Solent LEP where the private sector will have the biggest say in matters and will be telling councils what they can and can not do.

This is all part of the Maastricht Treaty that came into force 1st November 1993 which allowed for the Lisbon Treatry to be enforce on us on 1st January 2012, the idea in the end we be do away with local councils as a local govern body, We are slowly moving away from a democatic society to a central body dictatorship a dystopia society.
Southy, local councils have only existed since 1871. They were a central government creation and have NEVER been particularly important.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]True Lone. You got to love this bit, "The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions. " This not handing power to the Councils, but handing power to body like the Solent LEP where the private sector will have the biggest say in matters and will be telling councils what they can and can not do. This is all part of the Maastricht Treaty that came into force 1st November 1993 which allowed for the Lisbon Treatry to be enforce on us on 1st January 2012, the idea in the end we be do away with local councils as a local govern body, We are slowly moving away from a democatic society to a central body dictatorship a dystopia society.[/p][/quote]Southy, local councils have only existed since 1871. They were a central government creation and have NEVER been particularly important. Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

1:15pm Mon 7 Jul 14

tigerolw says...

You haven't got the money yet. So many money announcements by this government all over the country. But little of the cash has arrived yet. What is the time scale for this project? Look at HS2. Billions on a rail system BUT not until another twenty years. Announced the big headline over the money, but yeas away from achieving. this scheme will be the same. BIG announcement but it is the usual jam tomorrow. Do not hold your breath. Also much of the announcement is for two giant casinos. Is that the best way to regenerate a local economy?
You haven't got the money yet. So many money announcements by this government all over the country. But little of the cash has arrived yet. What is the time scale for this project? Look at HS2. Billions on a rail system BUT not until another twenty years. Announced the big headline over the money, but yeas away from achieving. this scheme will be the same. BIG announcement but it is the usual jam tomorrow. Do not hold your breath. Also much of the announcement is for two giant casinos. Is that the best way to regenerate a local economy? tigerolw
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
True Lone.

You got to love this bit, "The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions. "

This not handing power to the Councils, but handing power to body like the Solent LEP where the private sector will have the biggest say in matters and will be telling councils what they can and can not do.

This is all part of the Maastricht Treaty that came into force 1st November 1993 which allowed for the Lisbon Treatry to be enforce on us on 1st January 2012, the idea in the end we be do away with local councils as a local govern body, We are slowly moving away from a democatic society to a central body dictatorship a dystopia society.
Southy, local councils have only existed since 1871. They were a central government creation and have NEVER been particularly important.
Councils took over from the older style of local government where a lord use to be the key figure followed by the mayor, but back then not every one could vote, the only voters was land owners, business owners and people who had over a certain amount of money or ran a business for some one else and was the only ones that was allowed to take part in any form of Government, Middle and working class and women never got the vote, nor was they allowed to take part in Government, it took Socialist thinking people (in the Liberals party) to start the change so every one could vote.
And now they want to take that back and return us back to how it use to be before 1910
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]True Lone. You got to love this bit, "The Solent Growth Deal is part of a £12 billion plan to boost Britain's economy by handing power and money to the regions. " This not handing power to the Councils, but handing power to body like the Solent LEP where the private sector will have the biggest say in matters and will be telling councils what they can and can not do. This is all part of the Maastricht Treaty that came into force 1st November 1993 which allowed for the Lisbon Treatry to be enforce on us on 1st January 2012, the idea in the end we be do away with local councils as a local govern body, We are slowly moving away from a democatic society to a central body dictatorship a dystopia society.[/p][/quote]Southy, local councils have only existed since 1871. They were a central government creation and have NEVER been particularly important.[/p][/quote]Councils took over from the older style of local government where a lord use to be the key figure followed by the mayor, but back then not every one could vote, the only voters was land owners, business owners and people who had over a certain amount of money or ran a business for some one else and was the only ones that was allowed to take part in any form of Government, Middle and working class and women never got the vote, nor was they allowed to take part in Government, it took Socialist thinking people (in the Liberals party) to start the change so every one could vote. And now they want to take that back and return us back to how it use to be before 1910 southy
  • Score: -13

1:39pm Mon 7 Jul 14

garlic says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was...
In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride.

I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.
There's a big multi-story next to Parkway, if people want to avoid traffic they could park there and get the train/bus in? In reality there's a big driving culture in Southampton and in general people are obsessed with driving everywhere when there's really no need to.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was... In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride. I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.[/p][/quote]There's a big multi-story next to Parkway, if people want to avoid traffic they could park there and get the train/bus in? In reality there's a big driving culture in Southampton and in general people are obsessed with driving everywhere when there's really no need to. garlic
  • Score: 4

1:50pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Richard 51 says...

17,000 more homes, you gonna need a bigger hospital.
17,000 more homes, you gonna need a bigger hospital. Richard 51
  • Score: 7

2:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

Richard 51 wrote:
17,000 more homes, you gonna need a bigger hospital.
And more schools
[quote][p][bold]Richard 51[/bold] wrote: 17,000 more homes, you gonna need a bigger hospital.[/p][/quote]And more schools southy
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Kirsty666 says...

I don't see a need for 17,000 new homes as Hammersons will be building new homes and the spitfire will only benefit those who live there and not the rest of us and they have already taken one park away from the children leave some greenery and for once leave the area alone if it needs upgrading then by all means do it but do it a nice way not a money making way
I don't see a need for 17,000 new homes as Hammersons will be building new homes and the spitfire will only benefit those who live there and not the rest of us and they have already taken one park away from the children leave some greenery and for once leave the area alone if it needs upgrading then by all means do it but do it a nice way not a money making way Kirsty666
  • Score: 0

2:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

wilson castaway says...

garlic wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?
I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was...
In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride.

I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.
There's a big multi-story next to Parkway, if people want to avoid traffic they could park there and get the train/bus in? In reality there's a big driving culture in Southampton and in general people are obsessed with driving everywhere when there's really no need to.
People would use public transport if it was cheaper and reliable.Prices go up and routes get slashed.One of the reasons I learnt to drive was that I was sick of spending half my life stood at a bus stop in the rain, waiting for a bus that would be up to 45 minutes late despite the advert of a bus every 7 minutes.With three kids.
[quote][p][bold]garlic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Where is the park and ride Southampton urgently needs to reduce the number of cars coming into the city centre?[/p][/quote]I raised this directly with the council so feel free to follow this up with them their reply was... In terms of park and ride. This won't work in the city with the current parking dynamics and prices. There is a significant supply of parking with occupancy in our city centre car parks being rarely over 40%. There are local variations to this. We only control 25% of the total supply. As a result prices are fairly low and it's easy to find parking for £5 all day which is less that half the price of similar size cities like Reading. A park and ride on the outskirts of the city would need to cover it's costs of setting up and operation so it would need to charge a fee. The Council is not in a financial position where it could subsidise the operation. The charge for use would probably not be far off the £5. As a result we do not believe the conditions are right for Southampton to operate a park and ride. I personally think this is short sighted because they are losing investment in the city with the poor traffic and that will only get worse.[/p][/quote]There's a big multi-story next to Parkway, if people want to avoid traffic they could park there and get the train/bus in? In reality there's a big driving culture in Southampton and in general people are obsessed with driving everywhere when there's really no need to.[/p][/quote]People would use public transport if it was cheaper and reliable.Prices go up and routes get slashed.One of the reasons I learnt to drive was that I was sick of spending half my life stood at a bus stop in the rain, waiting for a bus that would be up to 45 minutes late despite the advert of a bus every 7 minutes.With three kids. wilson castaway
  • Score: 10

2:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

bassmadman says...

More smoke and mirrors from the government that has managed to increase the national debt to record levels. How much has been withheld from the local councils since 2010? More than is suggested here. Quayside developments are not useful. 17000 new homes for the area? 5000 new jobs? Its all to easy to announce big spending plans just before a general election, especially in the knowledge that that the tories won't be able to deliver any of it. Hard to do when the opposition have 100 more MPs than you! What they should be doing is explaining to the electorate why they have indebted the country in such a massive way and why, exactly, they needed to attack and vilify the weakest in our society. Don't be taken in. Nothing is done by tories that will benefit society, investment banking, hedge funds, friends and family yes, society no.
More smoke and mirrors from the government that has managed to increase the national debt to record levels. How much has been withheld from the local councils since 2010? More than is suggested here. Quayside developments are not useful. 17000 new homes for the area? 5000 new jobs? Its all to easy to announce big spending plans just before a general election, especially in the knowledge that that the tories won't be able to deliver any of it. Hard to do when the opposition have 100 more MPs than you! What they should be doing is explaining to the electorate why they have indebted the country in such a massive way and why, exactly, they needed to attack and vilify the weakest in our society. Don't be taken in. Nothing is done by tories that will benefit society, investment banking, hedge funds, friends and family yes, society no. bassmadman
  • Score: -3

2:51pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.
Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ...
.
So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........
.
So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.[/p][/quote]Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ... . So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........ . So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ?? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

3:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
OK, I'm happy to give it a go.

1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives
2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them
3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education
4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30%
5) 2,200 Sure Start centres
6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday
7) banning hunting with hounds
8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds

That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]OK, I'm happy to give it a go. 1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives 2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them 3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education 4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30% 5) 2,200 Sure Start centres 6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday 7) banning hunting with hounds 8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: -6

3:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

wwozzer says...

What a load of hot air. 360 million is peanuts but when you read onto it and discover it's actually just 125 million drip fed over 5 years it becomes derisory. This must be some sort of sick joke?

The private sector is about to invest nearly four times that amount knocking up a hotel and two casinos at the bottom end of town!
What a load of hot air. 360 million is peanuts but when you read onto it and discover it's actually just 125 million drip fed over 5 years it becomes derisory. This must be some sort of sick joke? The private sector is about to invest nearly four times that amount knocking up a hotel and two casinos at the bottom end of town! wwozzer
  • Score: -1

4:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"
Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money" miltonarcher
  • Score: -2

4:30pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"
The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"[/p][/quote]The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures southy
  • Score: -6

4:34pm Mon 7 Jul 14

get Kat L out says...

17,000 homes and 5000 jobs doesn't work well in proportion does it.

What about the 12,000....ummm
Benefits? retired? thieves? or what?

British born occupants??????????

Just sayin'
17,000 homes and 5000 jobs doesn't work well in proportion does it. What about the 12,000....ummm Benefits? retired? thieves? or what? British born occupants?????????? Just sayin' get Kat L out
  • Score: 0

4:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
OK, I'm happy to give it a go.

1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives
2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them
3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education
4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30%
5) 2,200 Sure Start centres
6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday
7) banning hunting with hounds
8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds

That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.
Dont stoop to his level ...... its the same old con trick that he plays.
.
Always asks questions but can NEVER answer any ....... you just wait an see
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]OK, I'm happy to give it a go. 1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives 2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them 3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education 4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30% 5) 2,200 Sure Start centres 6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday 7) banning hunting with hounds 8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.[/p][/quote]Dont stoop to his level ...... its the same old con trick that he plays. . Always asks questions but can NEVER answer any ....... you just wait an see Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

5:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Dont tell Knotty Ash Boys otherwise they will bleat you never walk again!
Dont tell Knotty Ash Boys otherwise they will bleat you never walk again! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
OK, I'm happy to give it a go.

1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives
2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them
3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education
4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30%
5) 2,200 Sure Start centres
6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday
7) banning hunting with hounds
8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds

That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.
Giving you a LARGE benefit of the doubt (and your gift for exaggeration!) - so that averages out at what per year out of 13 years in power?

And which one of those wonderful achievenments do you think either Tony Blair and/or Gordon Browne wish to be remembered by?

Or could it be that they will be remembered for managing to achieve what no socialist government should be expected to achieve - widening the gap between the have and the have nots?!!!! Plus achieveing levels of unprecedented debt through out of control spending and BORROWING!!

By the way, virtually all the investment in the NHS went on SALARY/PENSION increases! Many salaries doubled, as did their pension contributions!
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]OK, I'm happy to give it a go. 1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives 2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them 3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education 4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30% 5) 2,200 Sure Start centres 6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday 7) banning hunting with hounds 8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.[/p][/quote]Giving you a LARGE benefit of the doubt (and your gift for exaggeration!) - so that averages out at what per year out of 13 years in power? And which one of those wonderful achievenments do you think either Tony Blair and/or Gordon Browne wish to be remembered by? Or could it be that they will be remembered for managing to achieve what no socialist government should be expected to achieve - widening the gap between the have and the have nots?!!!! Plus achieveing levels of unprecedented debt through out of control spending and BORROWING!! By the way, virtually all the investment in the NHS went on SALARY/PENSION increases! Many salaries doubled, as did their pension contributions! George4th
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Mon 7 Jul 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"
The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures
What???? Brown never lied??? Oh please Southy, you really are stretching the limits of absurdity now.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"[/p][/quote]The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures[/p][/quote]What???? Brown never lied??? Oh please Southy, you really are stretching the limits of absurdity now. forest hump
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
OK, I'm happy to give it a go.

1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives
2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them
3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education
4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30%
5) 2,200 Sure Start centres
6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday
7) banning hunting with hounds
8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds

That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.
Are you saying Labour could afford all those vote winning acts?
Take away the monies used to bail the banks out & you'll see Labour couldn't at any time afford those projects so really using them to make Labour look good is wrong.
Labour as it was leaving office actually admitted they'd have to scrap most of those things as we as a country couldn't afford them so not really a good idea starting them or did they already realise they were going to lose & the next government would have to cut them?
Like the rest you fell for it hook line & sinker what Labour did & what the Tories opposed? maybe the Tories knew we couldn't afford it have you ever considered that?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]OK, I'm happy to give it a go. 1) the minimum wage - opposed by the Conservatives 2) giving the Bank of England independence on setting interest rates so governments of all colours couldn't manipulate them 3) record levels of investment in the NHS and in education 4) 14,000 more police and a fall in crime of over 30% 5) 2,200 Sure Start centres 6) workers' rights - all full time employees entitles to 24 days of holiday 7) banning hunting with hounds 8) free nursery places for all 3 and 4 year olds That's just a start. A lot of these things are so much part of the landscape nowadays I think people tend to forget who should get the credit for them.[/p][/quote]Are you saying Labour could afford all those vote winning acts? Take away the monies used to bail the banks out & you'll see Labour couldn't at any time afford those projects so really using them to make Labour look good is wrong. Labour as it was leaving office actually admitted they'd have to scrap most of those things as we as a country couldn't afford them so not really a good idea starting them or did they already realise they were going to lose & the next government would have to cut them? Like the rest you fell for it hook line & sinker what Labour did & what the Tories opposed? maybe the Tories knew we couldn't afford it have you ever considered that? loosehead
  • Score: -1

6:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Listened to Caroline Dinage on TV ( hope I got the name right?) She said this money release was going to happen it was a dead cert.
She said extra revenue would also be coming as private investors have earmarked three times the £120million the government was giving so an extra £360million for new projects.
This isn't new as this project was earmarked last year for 2015 so not like Labours last minute investments to win votes.
As for a park & ride in Southampton?
Where would the cars park? out of town car parks where? who would get the revenue from them?
How much would the city lose on the cash cow of the Itchen Bridge & car parks?
Come on let's get real that's never going to happen.
Listened to Caroline Dinage on TV ( hope I got the name right?) She said this money release was going to happen it was a dead cert. She said extra revenue would also be coming as private investors have earmarked three times the £120million the government was giving so an extra £360million for new projects. This isn't new as this project was earmarked last year for 2015 so not like Labours last minute investments to win votes. As for a park & ride in Southampton? Where would the cars park? out of town car parks where? who would get the revenue from them? How much would the city lose on the cash cow of the Itchen Bridge & car parks? Come on let's get real that's never going to happen. loosehead
  • Score: 3

6:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sophisticated says...

More congestion
More congestion sophisticated
  • Score: 0

6:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southamptonadi says...

southy wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"
The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures
Ouch, I just hurt myself falling off my chair.

Really mr brown never lied, I think that was well proved wrong even when he was still in office
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"[/p][/quote]The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures[/p][/quote]Ouch, I just hurt myself falling off my chair. Really mr brown never lied, I think that was well proved wrong even when he was still in office southamptonadi
  • Score: 5

6:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Come on you Labour Party members,Councillors & supporters how much was the debt? how much did we use to bail out the Banks? How much was the debt with out the bail out? why did we have such a massive debt as it wasn't there when Labour came to power was it?
Please reply with worthwhile arguments thank you!
Come on you Labour Party members,Councillors & supporters how much was the debt? how much did we use to bail out the Banks? How much was the debt with out the bail out? why did we have such a massive debt as it wasn't there when Labour came to power was it? Please reply with worthwhile arguments thank you! loosehead
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southamptonadi says...

So this pretty new development on our mayflower park with buildings around the outside,

Where is the play park and cafe?

Where are the cars going to park?

Where is Dock gate 8 gone?

Does not look boat show friendly?
So this pretty new development on our mayflower park with buildings around the outside, Where is the play park and cafe? Where are the cars going to park? Where is Dock gate 8 gone? Does not look boat show friendly? southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

6:47pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

southamptonadi wrote:
So this pretty new development on our mayflower park with buildings around the outside,

Where is the play park and cafe?

Where are the cars going to park?

Where is Dock gate 8 gone?

Does not look boat show friendly?
Labour changed the plans originally approved by ABP & the Tory council so you know who to point the finger of blame at don't you?
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: So this pretty new development on our mayflower park with buildings around the outside, Where is the play park and cafe? Where are the cars going to park? Where is Dock gate 8 gone? Does not look boat show friendly?[/p][/quote]Labour changed the plans originally approved by ABP & the Tory council so you know who to point the finger of blame at don't you? loosehead
  • Score: 1

7:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.
Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ...
.
So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........
.
So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??
You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.[/p][/quote]Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ... . So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........ . So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??[/p][/quote]You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it! Torchie1
  • Score: 2

7:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.
Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ...
.
So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........
.
So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??
You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it!
But in case you have not read the article very well .... its not about Labour is it ....... Its about the Tory led government ....... and thats exactly wht i responded to .....
.
Why do you and your Tory chums attempt to divert attention away by introducing another agenda
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.[/p][/quote]Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ... . So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........ . So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??[/p][/quote]You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it![/p][/quote]But in case you have not read the article very well .... its not about Labour is it ....... Its about the Tory led government ....... and thats exactly wht i responded to ..... . Why do you and your Tory chums attempt to divert attention away by introducing another agenda Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

7:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"
The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures
This post is from someone who is consistently wrong and then embarks on a course of denial, ducking & diving, name calling and finally disappearance rather than do the manly thing and admit to being wrong. I'm still curious about the 'revolution' in Rumania where the people overthrew the government recently. Are you going to tell me when it happened exactly or is this the cue to disappear yet again?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"[/p][/quote]The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures[/p][/quote]This post is from someone who is consistently wrong and then embarks on a course of denial, ducking & diving, name calling and finally disappearance rather than do the manly thing and admit to being wrong. I'm still curious about the 'revolution' in Rumania where the people overthrew the government recently. Are you going to tell me when it happened exactly or is this the cue to disappear yet again? Torchie1
  • Score: 5

7:12pm Mon 7 Jul 14

pollthom says...

Southampton City Council look set to continue ruining what's left of the old town. It's beyond belief, that, yet again the council and planners think we need another marina with apartments alongside Ocean Village and what was the old Vospers site.

What about Ennios, La Regata, The Platform, La Lupa, George's and Duke of Wellington? Local businesses that have been a cornerstone of the old Southampton for years. They will be banished to the shadows of an empty quarter, built because the council has no common sense or how to regenerate a town without building new. Not forgetting, there are also many beautiful apartments on the old town with picturesque views of the Southampton waters. What happens when their owners property prices plummet to the Solents bottom?

It's painfully obvious, that, no council member has tried to travel in and out around the Mayflower area at peak times! There is currently no bus network, no train access and far too higher volume of traffic already travelling through. Then there's parking! A council that continues to charge for parking up until 8pm and some places midnight with no consideration for local residents. I spent many years living in London and on Sundays it's free to park in most places and even on single yellow lines (reduced rate parking on Saturdays)!

Along with the awful plans approved for West Quay (phase two) this town will only increase in becoming more congested and dirty with no class whatsoever.
Southampton City Council look set to continue ruining what's left of the old town. It's beyond belief, that, yet again the council and planners think we need another marina with apartments alongside Ocean Village and what was the old Vospers site. What about Ennios, La Regata, The Platform, La Lupa, George's and Duke of Wellington? Local businesses that have been a cornerstone of the old Southampton for years. They will be banished to the shadows of an empty quarter, built because the council has no common sense or how to regenerate a town without building new. Not forgetting, there are also many beautiful apartments on the old town with picturesque views of the Southampton waters. What happens when their owners property prices plummet to the Solents bottom? It's painfully obvious, that, no council member has tried to travel in and out around the Mayflower area at peak times! There is currently no bus network, no train access and far too higher volume of traffic already travelling through. Then there's parking! A council that continues to charge for parking up until 8pm and some places midnight with no consideration for local residents. I spent many years living in London and on Sundays it's free to park in most places and even on single yellow lines (reduced rate parking on Saturdays)! Along with the awful plans approved for West Quay (phase two) this town will only increase in becoming more congested and dirty with no class whatsoever. pollthom
  • Score: 0

7:35pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southamptonadi says...

Maybe the government could take ten percent of this and give it to the council so they can save a few jobs what with another 30 million hole in their budget and hundreds of job losses coming up again.
Maybe the government could take ten percent of this and give it to the council so they can save a few jobs what with another 30 million hole in their budget and hundreds of job losses coming up again. southamptonadi
  • Score: 2

9:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

George4th wrote:
Why a Spitfire Statue?!
Anyone any idea?

Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?"

I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Why a Spitfire Statue?![/p][/quote]Anyone any idea? Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?" I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us. George4th
  • Score: 0

9:04pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

southamptonadi wrote:
Maybe the government could take ten percent of this and give it to the council so they can save a few jobs what with another 30 million hole in their budget and hundreds of job losses coming up again.
yet they're giving staff on all pay grades a 1.9% pay increase each year for the next four years the exact amount they're putting up Council; tax?
Royston implemented pay cuts for the higher earners (would have been over £22,000) as a way to make the cuts with out cutting services & jobs so Labour restores pay to those over £30,000 a year cuts services & jobs then gives the remaining staff pay rises then blames the Government for more cuts in services & jobs?
Labour knew exactly what the financial picture was before elected Williams said all these cuts would happen before they were elected so why restore pay & give wage rises if the City can't afford to do it?
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: Maybe the government could take ten percent of this and give it to the council so they can save a few jobs what with another 30 million hole in their budget and hundreds of job losses coming up again.[/p][/quote]yet they're giving staff on all pay grades a 1.9% pay increase each year for the next four years the exact amount they're putting up Council; tax? Royston implemented pay cuts for the higher earners (would have been over £22,000) as a way to make the cuts with out cutting services & jobs so Labour restores pay to those over £30,000 a year cuts services & jobs then gives the remaining staff pay rises then blames the Government for more cuts in services & jobs? Labour knew exactly what the financial picture was before elected Williams said all these cuts would happen before they were elected so why restore pay & give wage rises if the City can't afford to do it? loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
southamptonadi wrote:
So this pretty new development on our mayflower park with buildings around the outside,

Where is the play park and cafe?

Where are the cars going to park?

Where is Dock gate 8 gone?

Does not look boat show friendly?
Labour changed the plans originally approved by ABP & the Tory council so you know who to point the finger of blame at don't you?
:-) The moment Labour change anything you need safety hats and to head for shelter!
Or emigrate!

Remember The Dome! What an almighty disaster that was with Tony Blair and his Merry Men making wholesale ideology led changes that were totally uncommercial and which led to it's BANKRUPTCY!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: So this pretty new development on our mayflower park with buildings around the outside, Where is the play park and cafe? Where are the cars going to park? Where is Dock gate 8 gone? Does not look boat show friendly?[/p][/quote]Labour changed the plans originally approved by ABP & the Tory council so you know who to point the finger of blame at don't you?[/p][/quote]:-) The moment Labour change anything you need safety hats and to head for shelter! Or emigrate! Remember The Dome! What an almighty disaster that was with Tony Blair and his Merry Men making wholesale ideology led changes that were totally uncommercial and which led to it's BANKRUPTCY! George4th
  • Score: -2

9:08pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Unbelievable! The Government is investing in jobs & infrastructure in the South & Labour & it's supporters are saying it's an election gimmick yet the last Labour Government took from this city alone £25million to give to Northern cities & cuts across the South to finance even more Northern Labour controlled authorities just before the election that saw them lose power.
I guess that wasn't trying to buy votes then?
Mayflower park is to be expanded so ensuring the Boat show.
Unbelievable! The Government is investing in jobs & infrastructure in the South & Labour & it's supporters are saying it's an election gimmick yet the last Labour Government took from this city alone £25million to give to Northern cities & cuts across the South to finance even more Northern Labour controlled authorities just before the election that saw them lose power. I guess that wasn't trying to buy votes then? Mayflower park is to be expanded so ensuring the Boat show. loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:11pm Mon 7 Jul 14

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
Why a Spitfire Statue?!
Anyone any idea?

Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?"

I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.
I put forward an idea on a Spitfire restaurant/viewing platform in flight looking out over Southampton Water.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Why a Spitfire Statue?![/p][/quote]Anyone any idea? Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?" I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.[/p][/quote]I put forward an idea on a Spitfire restaurant/viewing platform in flight looking out over Southampton Water. loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:15pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
southamptonadi wrote:
Maybe the government could take ten percent of this and give it to the council so they can save a few jobs what with another 30 million hole in their budget and hundreds of job losses coming up again.
yet they're giving staff on all pay grades a 1.9% pay increase each year for the next four years the exact amount they're putting up Council; tax?
Royston implemented pay cuts for the higher earners (would have been over £22,000) as a way to make the cuts with out cutting services & jobs so Labour restores pay to those over £30,000 a year cuts services & jobs then gives the remaining staff pay rises then blames the Government for more cuts in services & jobs?
Labour knew exactly what the financial picture was before elected Williams said all these cuts would happen before they were elected so why restore pay & give wage rises if the City can't afford to do it?
Maybe the Labour council has been holed up in the nuclear bunker and hasn't noticed that we are BUST!

People need to get real!

We are paying £53 Billion a year in interestr alone on our debt! And that is rising every year!

The last Labour government triggered a chain of events through reckless spending and borrowing that has ruined the future for our young and future generations.

Living standards have been reducing quite simply because we were living above our means on an economy fueled by lending created by the Labour giovernment with their Credit Boom, Property Boom and Consumer Boom!

And we all know BOOM = BUST!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: Maybe the government could take ten percent of this and give it to the council so they can save a few jobs what with another 30 million hole in their budget and hundreds of job losses coming up again.[/p][/quote]yet they're giving staff on all pay grades a 1.9% pay increase each year for the next four years the exact amount they're putting up Council; tax? Royston implemented pay cuts for the higher earners (would have been over £22,000) as a way to make the cuts with out cutting services & jobs so Labour restores pay to those over £30,000 a year cuts services & jobs then gives the remaining staff pay rises then blames the Government for more cuts in services & jobs? Labour knew exactly what the financial picture was before elected Williams said all these cuts would happen before they were elected so why restore pay & give wage rises if the City can't afford to do it?[/p][/quote]Maybe the Labour council has been holed up in the nuclear bunker and hasn't noticed that we are BUST! People need to get real! We are paying £53 Billion a year in interestr alone on our debt! And that is rising every year! The last Labour government triggered a chain of events through reckless spending and borrowing that has ruined the future for our young and future generations. Living standards have been reducing quite simply because we were living above our means on an economy fueled by lending created by the Labour giovernment with their Credit Boom, Property Boom and Consumer Boom! And we all know BOOM = BUST! George4th
  • Score: 1

9:23pm Mon 7 Jul 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
Why a Spitfire Statue?!
Anyone any idea?

Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?"

I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.
I put forward an idea on a Spitfire restaurant/viewing platform in flight looking out over Southampton Water.
You were on the right track.

In this age of technology we need some imagination!

No one will see the Spitfire Statue - they will all be too busy looking down at their smartphones! :-)
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Why a Spitfire Statue?![/p][/quote]Anyone any idea? Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?" I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.[/p][/quote]I put forward an idea on a Spitfire restaurant/viewing platform in flight looking out over Southampton Water.[/p][/quote]You were on the right track. In this age of technology we need some imagination! No one will see the Spitfire Statue - they will all be too busy looking down at their smartphones! :-) George4th
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Mon 7 Jul 14

03alpe01 says...

George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
Why a Spitfire Statue?!
Anyone any idea?

Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?"

I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.
I put forward an idea on a Spitfire restaurant/viewing platform in flight looking out over Southampton Water.
You were on the right track.

In this age of technology we need some imagination!

No one will see the Spitfire Statue - they will all be too busy looking down at their smartphones! :-)
Sadly the reason that nobody will see the Spitfire statue is because it will not be built. They will (I hope I'm wrong) never in a million years raise the £3.5m needed to build it. Of course, if we were up North then we would have grant/regeneration money thrown at us from all corners. So you don't have to worry about the Spitfire statue!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Why a Spitfire Statue?![/p][/quote]Anyone any idea? Can you see anyone saying "hey kids, let's go and see the Spitfire Statue in Southampton?" I'm all for the seafront development - at least it will help us catch up with other towns and cities who are way ahead of us.[/p][/quote]I put forward an idea on a Spitfire restaurant/viewing platform in flight looking out over Southampton Water.[/p][/quote]You were on the right track. In this age of technology we need some imagination! No one will see the Spitfire Statue - they will all be too busy looking down at their smartphones! :-)[/p][/quote]Sadly the reason that nobody will see the Spitfire statue is because it will not be built. They will (I hope I'm wrong) never in a million years raise the £3.5m needed to build it. Of course, if we were up North then we would have grant/regeneration money thrown at us from all corners. So you don't have to worry about the Spitfire statue! 03alpe01
  • Score: 3

10:45pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.
Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ...
.
So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........
.
So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??
You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it!
But in case you have not read the article very well .... its not about Labour is it ....... Its about the Tory led government ....... and thats exactly wht i responded to .....
.
Why do you and your Tory chums attempt to divert attention away by introducing another agenda
I'll just accept that you alone can dictate agendas and refute any replies that don't toe the party line.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.[/p][/quote]Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ... . So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........ . So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??[/p][/quote]You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it![/p][/quote]But in case you have not read the article very well .... its not about Labour is it ....... Its about the Tory led government ....... and thats exactly wht i responded to ..... . Why do you and your Tory chums attempt to divert attention away by introducing another agenda[/p][/quote]I'll just accept that you alone can dictate agendas and refute any replies that don't toe the party line. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

11:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

gristle says...

Whenever Northern areas are awarded grants of some sort to improve local conditions, the Echo and it's readers unite in their condemnation.
The Echo usually reports that Southampton is too wealthy to need assistance. What's gone wrong ?
Whenever Northern areas are awarded grants of some sort to improve local conditions, the Echo and it's readers unite in their condemnation. The Echo usually reports that Southampton is too wealthy to need assistance. What's gone wrong ? gristle
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

southamptonadi wrote:
southy wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"
The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures
Ouch, I just hurt myself falling off my chair.

Really mr brown never lied, I think that was well proved wrong even when he was still in office
Brown never lied but Blair did, Like Thatcher lied and Major did not
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Heard a report on BBC this morning, broadcast through left wing gritted teeth, UK growth 3% and rising, best in Europe, better than the US. Cue the left wing, Gordon Clown was great negatives. Face it, our economy is on the up after the shambles of the last Labour administration. Remember that note left by some useless outgoing Labour minister "Good luck, there is no money"[/p][/quote]The difference is Brown never lied, but Cameron and co are lieing though there teeth hoping that will not get found out that they are giving false figures[/p][/quote]Ouch, I just hurt myself falling off my chair. Really mr brown never lied, I think that was well proved wrong even when he was still in office[/p][/quote]Brown never lied but Blair did, Like Thatcher lied and Major did not southy
  • Score: 1

11:59pm Mon 7 Jul 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Unbelievable! The Government is investing in jobs & infrastructure in the South & Labour & it's supporters are saying it's an election gimmick yet the last Labour Government took from this city alone £25million to give to Northern cities & cuts across the South to finance even more Northern Labour controlled authorities just before the election that saw them lose power.
I guess that wasn't trying to buy votes then?
Mayflower park is to be expanded so ensuring the Boat show.
Loose there idea of extending the park will lose the pontoons, so no craft on the water, and Southampton will become just like any other boat show all on dry land, people will stop coming here for the boat show, because it offers tha same as Earls Court and other boat shows, and the chances of the Boat show moving to Portsmouth or Poole will become far greater as they would offer crafts to be able to sitting on water and for people to try them out on the water.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable! The Government is investing in jobs & infrastructure in the South & Labour & it's supporters are saying it's an election gimmick yet the last Labour Government took from this city alone £25million to give to Northern cities & cuts across the South to finance even more Northern Labour controlled authorities just before the election that saw them lose power. I guess that wasn't trying to buy votes then? Mayflower park is to be expanded so ensuring the Boat show.[/p][/quote]Loose there idea of extending the park will lose the pontoons, so no craft on the water, and Southampton will become just like any other boat show all on dry land, people will stop coming here for the boat show, because it offers tha same as Earls Court and other boat shows, and the chances of the Boat show moving to Portsmouth or Poole will become far greater as they would offer crafts to be able to sitting on water and for people to try them out on the water. southy
  • Score: -3

6:20am Tue 8 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Thats great news ......
.
......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ?
.
Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election ..
.
Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...
Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.
Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ...
.
So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........
.
So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??
You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it!
But in case you have not read the article very well .... its not about Labour is it ....... Its about the Tory led government ....... and thats exactly wht i responded to .....
.
Why do you and your Tory chums attempt to divert attention away by introducing another agenda
I'll just accept that you alone can dictate agendas and refute any replies that don't toe the party line.
Whatever suits you
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Thats great news ...... . ......... Wait a minute .... isnt there an election next year ? . Beware of Tories bearing gifts .... before an election .. . Lets hope its not the same numbers that have been re-cyled from other failed "initiatives" ...[/p][/quote]Some 'initiative' fail more spectacularly than others as Gordon Brown found out after he made this statement at the 2000 Conference. "We will not put hard won economic stability at risk. No return to short-termism. No return to Tory boom and bust” That particular promise isn't an isolated case, but if you want more, just ask. No party is immune from writing cheques that are un-cashable and no government has ever gone in to an election without trying to butter up the electorate.[/p][/quote]Didnt Brown say that eight years BEFORE the worlds financial system collapsed ......... Had he know it was going to happen i doubt that he would have said it ... . So it looks as if you accept that this is an "un-cashable cheque" then and they are just buttering up the electorate ........ . So what have you said that i didnt ....... apart from using more words ??[/p][/quote]You in your normal blinkered way are under the impression that only the Tory party going in to the next election is trying to butter up the electorate. A more balanced view would be that governments of both sides have been doing exactly the same thing for decades with the first two years of any administration put aside for things that are going to hurt but allowing a 'war chest' to be built up for a giveaway in the run up to the next election. Perhaps you hadn't spotted it![/p][/quote]But in case you have not read the article very well .... its not about Labour is it ....... Its about the Tory led government ....... and thats exactly wht i responded to ..... . Why do you and your Tory chums attempt to divert attention away by introducing another agenda[/p][/quote]I'll just accept that you alone can dictate agendas and refute any replies that don't toe the party line.[/p][/quote]Whatever suits you Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

6:20am Tue 8 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

It never ceases to amaze me that the usual Tory Dinosaur’s continually slag off Labour governments yet support a party that for nearly two decades ..….. yes 20 years … a GENERATION …….. have failed to be elected as a single party government ….. and that looks set to continue for even longer from next year.
.
A party piggy backing off of the Lib Dems have screwed this country and its people beyond the stage of it hurting.
.
Systematically they are destroying the once wonderful ,world admired, NHS, our Armed Forces and the best Emergency Services in the world ……. All being taken apart to beyond recognition.
.
When you look at local and the Tories nationally it is clear to see that they are out of their depth in most areas …… Poor decision making locally …….. sleaze ridden and poor decisions Nationally ….
.
It is showing more and more that the people of this Country no longer the want the “Hooray Henry’s”, Toff’s and the Aristocracy stripping the guts from it and filtering off the wealth to their buddies in the City …
.
No ….. Labour never got everything right ….. but they did more for the people and put back more into this Country than any Tory EVER did.
.
Tories are only interested in their “own kind” and don’t care about anything or anyone else
It never ceases to amaze me that the usual Tory Dinosaur’s continually slag off Labour governments yet support a party that for nearly two decades ..….. yes 20 years … a GENERATION …….. have failed to be elected as a single party government ….. and that looks set to continue for even longer from next year. . A party piggy backing off of the Lib Dems have screwed this country and its people beyond the stage of it hurting. . Systematically they are destroying the once wonderful ,world admired, NHS, our Armed Forces and the best Emergency Services in the world ……. All being taken apart to beyond recognition. . When you look at local and the Tories nationally it is clear to see that they are out of their depth in most areas …… Poor decision making locally …….. sleaze ridden and poor decisions Nationally …. . It is showing more and more that the people of this Country no longer the want the “Hooray Henry’s”, Toff’s and the Aristocracy stripping the guts from it and filtering off the wealth to their buddies in the City … . No ….. Labour never got everything right ….. but they did more for the people and put back more into this Country than any Tory EVER did. . Tories are only interested in their “own kind” and don’t care about anything or anyone else Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

6:25am Tue 8 Jul 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Unbelievable! The Government is investing in jobs & infrastructure in the South & Labour & it's supporters are saying it's an election gimmick yet the last Labour Government took from this city alone £25million to give to Northern cities & cuts across the South to finance even more Northern Labour controlled authorities just before the election that saw them lose power.
I guess that wasn't trying to buy votes then?
Mayflower park is to be expanded so ensuring the Boat show.
Loose there idea of extending the park will lose the pontoons, so no craft on the water, and Southampton will become just like any other boat show all on dry land, people will stop coming here for the boat show, because it offers tha same as Earls Court and other boat shows, and the chances of the Boat show moving to Portsmouth or Poole will become far greater as they would offer crafts to be able to sitting on water and for people to try them out on the water.
so the marina won't be built then? I guess that's Maggie's fault?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable! The Government is investing in jobs & infrastructure in the South & Labour & it's supporters are saying it's an election gimmick yet the last Labour Government took from this city alone £25million to give to Northern cities & cuts across the South to finance even more Northern Labour controlled authorities just before the election that saw them lose power. I guess that wasn't trying to buy votes then? Mayflower park is to be expanded so ensuring the Boat show.[/p][/quote]Loose there idea of extending the park will lose the pontoons, so no craft on the water, and Southampton will become just like any other boat show all on dry land, people will stop coming here for the boat show, because it offers tha same as Earls Court and other boat shows, and the chances of the Boat show moving to Portsmouth or Poole will become far greater as they would offer crafts to be able to sitting on water and for people to try them out on the water.[/p][/quote]so the marina won't be built then? I guess that's Maggie's fault? loosehead
  • Score: 3

6:32am Tue 8 Jul 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that the usual Tory Dinosaur’s continually slag off Labour governments yet support a party that for nearly two decades ..….. yes 20 years … a GENERATION …….. have failed to be elected as a single party government ….. and that looks set to continue for even longer from next year.
.
A party piggy backing off of the Lib Dems have screwed this country and its people beyond the stage of it hurting.
.
Systematically they are destroying the once wonderful ,world admired, NHS, our Armed Forces and the best Emergency Services in the world ……. All being taken apart to beyond recognition.
.
When you look at local and the Tories nationally it is clear to see that they are out of their depth in most areas …… Poor decision making locally …….. sleaze ridden and poor decisions Nationally ….
.
It is showing more and more that the people of this Country no longer the want the “Hooray Henry’s”, Toff’s and the Aristocracy stripping the guts from it and filtering off the wealth to their buddies in the City …
.
No ….. Labour never got everything right ….. but they did more for the people and put back more into this Country than any Tory EVER did.
.
Tories are only interested in their “own kind” and don’t care about anything or anyone else
So let's get this straight Maggie,John Major Tory Government never existed?
Labour never went into coalition with the Liberals(devolution ?)
Once again a rave from a blinkered socialist.
Labour changed the expectations we had of the NHS & no longer was it just for treating the ill.
For centuries the younger generations looked after the older generations but Labour changed that.
parents to old? you haven't got the time for them? here put them in hospital or care homes out of sight out of mind until you want to see them.
This is one extra cost to the NHS & welfare budget that was never there so well done Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the usual Tory Dinosaur’s continually slag off Labour governments yet support a party that for nearly two decades ..….. yes 20 years … a GENERATION …….. have failed to be elected as a single party government ….. and that looks set to continue for even longer from next year. . A party piggy backing off of the Lib Dems have screwed this country and its people beyond the stage of it hurting. . Systematically they are destroying the once wonderful ,world admired, NHS, our Armed Forces and the best Emergency Services in the world ……. All being taken apart to beyond recognition. . When you look at local and the Tories nationally it is clear to see that they are out of their depth in most areas …… Poor decision making locally …….. sleaze ridden and poor decisions Nationally …. . It is showing more and more that the people of this Country no longer the want the “Hooray Henry’s”, Toff’s and the Aristocracy stripping the guts from it and filtering off the wealth to their buddies in the City … . No ….. Labour never got everything right ….. but they did more for the people and put back more into this Country than any Tory EVER did. . Tories are only interested in their “own kind” and don’t care about anything or anyone else[/p][/quote]So let's get this straight Maggie,John Major Tory Government never existed? Labour never went into coalition with the Liberals(devolution ?) Once again a rave from a blinkered socialist. Labour changed the expectations we had of the NHS & no longer was it just for treating the ill. For centuries the younger generations looked after the older generations but Labour changed that. parents to old? you haven't got the time for them? here put them in hospital or care homes out of sight out of mind until you want to see them. This is one extra cost to the NHS & welfare budget that was never there so well done Labour. loosehead
  • Score: 1

8:43am Tue 8 Jul 14

Tony Blair's Accountant says...

Personally I like Southampton's run-down water front. Eventually it will become as soulless as Docklands in London.
Personally I like Southampton's run-down water front. Eventually it will become as soulless as Docklands in London. Tony Blair's Accountant
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Tue 8 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

George4th wrote:
Why a Spitfire Statue?!
Why Not?
All the other services are years too late.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Why a Spitfire Statue?![/p][/quote]Why Not? All the other services are years too late. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Tue 8 Jul 14

lowe esteem says...

You know that A32 Fareham to Gosport?
-You will if you've ever got caught on it as rush hour moulds seamlessly into your Corrie/slipper/ Leisure time.
Well, whilst these charlatans are tittivating that up with their bypasses and DTS (decrepit transit systems) being passed off as new -age solutions, there will be another part of this road (the A32 North of Fareham) that will soon be clamouring for your attention as the much heralded 'new town' ILL (Wel) BORNE seals off those pinch points, rat runs and bottlenecks to make you hark back to the days when you could drive along the M27 without stopping.
The day they do anything properly or on time will not be witnessed by anyone reading this, believe me.
Hampshire is destined to become the county with the most traffic jams, so there's your 'wow factor'. Happy?

Now, get back to your tit for tat nowhere political point-scoring, proletariat.
You know that A32 Fareham to Gosport? -You will if you've ever got caught on it as rush hour moulds seamlessly into your Corrie/slipper/ Leisure time. Well, whilst these charlatans are tittivating that up with their bypasses and DTS (decrepit transit systems) being passed off as new -age solutions, there will be another part of this road (the A32 North of Fareham) that will soon be clamouring for your attention as the much heralded 'new town' ILL (Wel) BORNE seals off those pinch points, rat runs and bottlenecks to make you hark back to the days when you could drive along the M27 without stopping. The day they do anything properly or on time will not be witnessed by anyone reading this, believe me. Hampshire is destined to become the county with the most traffic jams, so there's your 'wow factor'. Happy? Now, get back to your tit for tat nowhere political point-scoring, proletariat. lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

2:51pm Tue 8 Jul 14

neverhasbeen says...

George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
The last Labour government brought peace to Northern Ireland.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]The last Labour government brought peace to Northern Ireland. neverhasbeen
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Tue 8 Jul 14

neverhasbeen says...

George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
The last Labour government brought peace to Northern Ireland.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]The last Labour government brought peace to Northern Ireland. neverhasbeen
  • Score: 1

2:56pm Tue 8 Jul 14

neverhasbeen says...

George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
Peace in Northern Ireland?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]Peace in Northern Ireland? neverhasbeen
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Tue 8 Jul 14

forest hump says...

neverhasbeen wrote:
George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
Peace in Northern Ireland?
Call that peace?
[quote][p][bold]neverhasbeen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]Peace in Northern Ireland?[/p][/quote]Call that peace? forest hump
  • Score: 1

4:31pm Tue 8 Jul 14

George4th says...

neverhasbeen wrote:
George4th wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.
Correct!

Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country?

Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war?


I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"
Peace in Northern Ireland?
:-)
The peace process was well in hand BEFORE Labour came to power. Albert Reynolds and John Major (the driving force) had started it off (Bill Clinton joined in along the way) and we also had the Mitchell Report as a guideline.

The talks were well in hand and Tony Blair merely stepped in to take the glory!

I guess he thought he could do the same in Iraq!
[quote][p][bold]neverhasbeen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories save the country again, Labour/unions = debt and selfishness.[/p][/quote]Correct! Do you think the day will ever come when Gordon Browne apologises for the debt he created, the debt that is weighing down this country? Do you think the day will ever arise when Tony Blair apologises for steam-rollering us into his crusade for an illegal war? I have never ever got an answer to an old question " What did the last Labour government ever get right?"[/p][/quote]Peace in Northern Ireland?[/p][/quote]:-) The peace process was well in hand BEFORE Labour came to power. Albert Reynolds and John Major (the driving force) had started it off (Bill Clinton joined in along the way) and we also had the Mitchell Report as a guideline. The talks were well in hand and Tony Blair merely stepped in to take the glory! I guess he thought he could do the same in Iraq! George4th
  • Score: -2

5:12pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Lone Ranger. says...

The Tories screwed up Northern Ireland in aces ...... they didnt know how to negotiate the deal and the rift was getting greater and greater ...
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Blair was the brains behind the whole agreement and proved all doubters wrong.
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Its just the sad ones who dont have the courage to embrace it ...... No change there then
The Tories screwed up Northern Ireland in aces ...... they didnt know how to negotiate the deal and the rift was getting greater and greater ... . Blair was the brains behind the whole agreement and proved all doubters wrong. . Its just the sad ones who dont have the courage to embrace it ...... No change there then Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

5:31pm Tue 8 Jul 14

greenengland says...

Crazywolf wrote:
Hampshire used to be a nice county to live in. Soon it will just be a nice housing estate!
We don't need more houses ! We're creating a concrete jungle! The politicians always say yes to more housing, and they will build on our beautiful green fields and puts more strain on all the services. We have lost respect for our land and wildlife.
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: Hampshire used to be a nice county to live in. Soon it will just be a nice housing estate![/p][/quote]We don't need more houses ! We're creating a concrete jungle! The politicians always say yes to more housing, and they will build on our beautiful green fields and puts more strain on all the services. We have lost respect for our land and wildlife. greenengland
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6:22pm Tue 8 Jul 14

loosehead says...

John Major has been credited for the peace accord in N.I so how can a local Labour(councillor),s
upporter,Party member say any different?
John Major has been credited for the peace accord in N.I so how can a local Labour(councillor),s upporter,Party member say any different? loosehead
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8:14pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Linesman says...

This is a typical example of the Tory Government promising money that it has saved by cutting the council's grant each year.

Take it for Four years, and then, with a general election just round the corner, they find money to buy votes.
This is a typical example of the Tory Government promising money that it has saved by cutting the council's grant each year. Take it for Four years, and then, with a general election just round the corner, they find money to buy votes. Linesman
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